Hey, everybody. Welcome to ABA Inside Track, the podcast that's like reading in your car, but safer.

I'm your host, Robert Perry Cruz, and with me, as always, are my fabulous co-hosts. Hello, Rob. It's me, Diana Perry Cruz. And it's me, your lovable friend, Jackie. Oh, boy. Well, everybody, it's been a little while since we've had a podcast about behavior analysis and behavior analytic research, where every week we pick a topic and discuss it at length. But before we did that, I wanted to ask Jackie and Diana, summer's coming

at our recording time. It's here. We need to think of things to do. It is actually, yes.

In your time, listeners, it is. In our time, it's almost here. And we need to think of some

things to do as parents with all of our kids.

Do you have any fun ideas for kids in summer?

You know what kids love?

Museums.

They do.

It's their favorite.

Take them to as many museums as possible.

And eventually they might actually come to love museums.

My kid just goes outside.

I'm like, just go outside. Going outside's good. You need to have your sound protection. If you go to museums, you need to make sure it's a museum where you can touch things probably if they're little. If they're older, you probably still need to remind them, don't touch things. These are all important skills. And as behavior analysts, you know what? Rob, I think the last museum we had to go to, I think I reminded you not to touch things. So what did you remind me not? We went to the Harvard- That clam shell. Which one? I don't know. You wanted to touch it. Oh, we're at the Harvard's Natural History Museum to see the glass flowers. We went with book club guy Alan Haberman, and you can't touch the

glass flowers. You also should not lean on the glass flower cases. They don't approve. So many

rules to know. And certainly if you're a family and your behavior analyst working with a family,

you might need to help family learn like museum rules or what to do if your child doesn't want

son care. And as many of us have worked with many families in the past, sometimes when we say, here's a great way to do it. You know, what's a great way to get to the museum? Why, a token economy for the museum, you know, maybe like a DRO museum plan, right? And parents say, I hate that treatment. Why did you come up with such a terrible treatment? and many of us are left saying, well, I'm right and you're wrong, which is a terrible way to do parent training. Hopefully, that's not what you're doing. Well, I hope that's not what you're doing. Luckily for us, even if it is what you're doing, we decided we needed to work on social validity when it comes to good parent training practices. and since all I've got is my DRO museum plan, we thought let's call in some experts on this

who've published in the field. to good parent training practices. And since all I've got is my DRO museum plan, we thought,

let's call in some experts on this who've published in the field. And we were very fortunate

that they're able to join us. And with us today are Dr. Roseanne Lassack and Dr. Gillian

Wilson. Roseanne and Jill, thank you so much for being on our show today to talk about

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