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The National Security Law Podcast

Episode 31: We Were Not Mirandized Until Halfway Through This Podcast

The National Security Law Podcast

Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck

Courses, Politics, News, Education, Government

4.8 • 646 Ratings

🗓️ 16 August 2017

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

In this week's episode, Professors Chesney and Vladeck make a whole series of blatantly un-Mirandized statements about some of the latest national security law developments.  First, they take up a number of questions relating to the events in Charlottesville.  Was the murder an act of "domestic terrorism"? What does federal criminal law have to say about domestic terrorism?  How does this situation compare to Monday's news of a man in Oklahoma City who sought to set off a bomb ala Timothy McVeigh?  And what issues arise when heavily-armed self-styled militias take to the streets in these settings?  Second, they give a quick review of the controversial search warrant issued by a judge in Washington, DC, to the web hosting service Dreamhost (seeking information about visitors to a website that helped organize protests that turned violent during the Trump inauguration).  And third, they explore a brand-new opinion from the district court in United States v. Abu Khatallah. That case arises out of the Benghazi attack, in which the defendant was captured in Libya and then transported to the U.S. (to face criminal charges) on a U.S. Navy vessel. Along the way, the defendant initially was interrogated without Miranda warnings, and then an FBI clean team eventually took over.  In today's opinion, the district court rejected the defendant's motion to suppress the "clean team" statements, rejecting the defendant's arguments involving delayed presentment, voluntariness, and compliance with Miranda.  Your hosts seem to agree: a win for the government on the surface, yes, but signs of trouble for future cases are there too.  This is followed by some quick responses to listener questions, and then, because they can't leave well-enough alone, they conclude with the inevitable segment on Game of Thrones.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello from Austin and welcome to episode 31 in the National Security Law Podcasts.

0:15.1

I'm Bobby Cheskney. And I'm Steve Vlodick. Bobby, it's Wednesday, August 16th.

0:24.2

The last couple days, I, you know, I'm 37. You're a couple months older.

0:30.2

That was very generous of you, my friend. The last couple days have been some of the more

0:34.6

disheartening days of my life that I can remember.

0:38.7

It's definitely been a tough and an ugly week with some really astonishing failures from our president

0:45.0

to do something that I would have thought was kind of on the short list of things that are

0:49.4

super easy to do when you're a president, like denouncing Nazis unequivocally.

0:56.7

Yeah, I guess he missed that day in how to be a leader camp.

1:01.7

I don't think he went to that particular camp.

1:04.2

So, so we want to, we want to spend a few minutes talking about what happened in Charlottesville

1:08.6

and the aftermath, both because we think it's actually

1:11.0

a national security issue, and there's some national security-related questions, and because

1:14.5

it's just inescapable as the topic of the moment. We also want to actually do some, I don't

1:20.9

want to say happier, but less disheartening discussion of recent events.

1:26.9

Yeah, and we've got some more conventional national security law topics, but making

1:30.4

a mistake, the domestic terrorism on display in Charlottesville, that's in the larger

1:36.0

atmosphere of violence.

1:36.9

That's a national security issue.

1:39.3

Oh, there's no question about that.

1:40.4

And one that the current holder of the White House seems only interested in

1:44.5

exacerbating and not actually trying to remedy or solve or any of this other stuff.

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