Episode 298: Calling, Community, and the Mother-Daughter Relationship with Sandra McCraken, Leslie Jordan, Taylor Leonhardt

Raising Boys & Girls

That Sounds Fun Network

Parenting, Kids & Family, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

5 • 1.6K Ratings

🗓️ 12 August 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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In the summer months, not only am I the director of our little summer camp program called Hopetown. I’m also the worship leader and worship music chooser for kids in 2nd - 12th grades. And let me tell you, as a therapist for kids for over 30 years, I am very choosy when it comes to the lyrics that these kids sing. They are kids who have known heartache, who have experienced loss of all shapes and sizes, trauma, anxiety, depression, and more. They are kids who have questioned whether God loves them in the midst of their pain. Whether he cares and is still for them and for their families. And so I desperately want the words we sing each night to be truth. And not just truth that glosses over their heart, but truth that seeps into it and points them toward the one who is in the midst of the heart with them and longs for their healing. There’s truly no one I trust more to speak words of life and healing through worship, than the three women who are on our podcast today, and the bands they represent. I am delighted for you to listen to the wisdom of our friends, Sandra McCracken, Leslie Jordan, and Taylor Leonhardt. Download their music individually and together, as Paper Horses and Mission House music along with Jess Rey. We promise you will be so very glad you did and glad you listened to this episode with these wise amazing dear friends of ours. Follow Paper Horses ⁠Instagram⁠ Check out the work their doing here Paper Horses . . . . . ⁠Owen Learns He Has What it Takes: A Lesson in Resilience⁠ ⁠Lucy Learns to Be Brave: A Lesson in Courage⁠⁠ Grab your tickets today for the⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Raising Capable Kids Conference⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ with David Thomas, Sissy Goff and special guests! Sign up to receive the⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠monthly newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to keep up to date with where David and Sissy are speaking, where they are taco'ing, PLUS conversation starters for you and your family to share! Connect with David, Sissy, and Melissa at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠raisingboysandgirls.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ . . . . . If you would like to partner with Raising Boys and Girls as a podcast sponsor, fill out our⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Advertise with us⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ form. A special thank you to our sponsors: KIWI CO: Get $15 off on your Summer Adventure Series at kiwico.com/RBG EVERYDAY DOSE: Get 45% off your first subscription order of 30-servings of Coffee+ or Bold+. You’ll also receive a starter kit with over $100 in free gifts including a rechargeable frother and gunmetal serving spoon by going to everydaydose.com/RGB or entering RGB at checkout. You’ll also get FREE gifts throughout the year! JOLIE: Jolie will give you your best skin & hair guaranteed. Head to jolieskinco.com/RBG to try it out for yourself with FREE shipping. QUINCE: Give your summer closet an upgrade—with Quince. Go to ⁠Quince.com/rbg⁠ for free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty-five -day returns. THRIVE MARKET: Skip the junk without overspending. Head over to ⁠ThriveMarket.com/rbg⁠ to get 30% off your first order and a FREE $60 gift. NIV APPLICATION BIBLE: Save an additional 10% on any NIV Application Bible and NIV Application Commentary Resources by visiting FAITHGATEWAY.COM/NIVAB and using promo code RBG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:28.3	I am counting down the days until September 13th because we have got some big fun coming
0:35.5	and tickets for this big fun are going fast. We're having a parenting
0:39.4	conference in Nashville, our first ever parenting conference that we're getting to put on that's
0:44.7	called Raising Capable Kids. Y'all, we have the most amazing people who are going to be on
0:50.5	the stage with us. We have Nero Feliciano. We have Megan Mickelson of Birds and Bees. We have
0:56.6	Joey Odom of R.O. We have Melissa Trevathen, our dear friend and the founding director of Daystar.
1:02.6	We have Dr. Chenway Williams. So many wise, trusted voices of ours. So much goodness, so much fun.
1:14.7	Make plans now. Get your tickets quickly and come to Nashville on September 13th for Raising Capable Kids.
1:33.3	Hey friends, welcome to the Raising Boys and Girls podcast.
1:34.6	I'm Sissy Goff.
1:39.0	And I'm David Thomas, and we're so glad you've joined us for this conversation.
1:40.4	Let's dive in. In the summer months, not only am I the journey I've been.
1:50.3	In the summer months, not only am I the director of our little summer camp program called Hopetown, I'm also the worship leader and worship music chooser for kids in second
1:56.9	through twelfth grades. And let me tell you as a therapist for kids for over 30 years,
2:02.0	I am very choosy when it comes to the lyrics that these kids sing. They are kids who have known
2:07.7	heartache, who have experienced loss of all shapes and sizes, trauma, anxiety, depression, and more.
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