Welcome to the Anyagram Journey. My guest today is my friend Nadiables Weber. She's an

eight on the Anyagram, an astonishing writer, a woman who's accomplished a great deal for

people who are marginalized and looking for their place. She in her

eightness has been seeking justice since I met her and she seeks it now in

different ways sometimes. So I'm so excited that you're on the Anyagram

Journey and I am gonna try really hard to listen far more than I talk. Sometimes

when we're together I get to talking too much and I want everybody to get to

hear you. So I want to start with this question. What would you say is the most

valuable thing the Anyagram has offered you? I think honest self-assessment in

the sense of sometimes our opinions of ourselves can devolve into really

unhealthy self-loathing and I feel that also we can err on the side of absurd

positivity. We shouldn't ever feel bad about anything about ourselves and

well that's not entirely true either if you believe in sin. We all have

stuff that we all have a dark side and we all have a light sign. So I think that

Anyagram has given me language for what my theology already was honestly

which is that we're simultaneously sinner and saint. I have that tattooed

Latin on my wrist right? Similarly used to set per contour. So this idea that

we have that we have this sort of dual nature in a sense and the Anyagram gives

me just incredible language for that reality in my life and other people's

lives. Yeah you know I think I I can remember when I was younger over

apologizing for the weaknesses in my tunas and overvaluing the strengths in

my tunas and I wonder if that kind of comparison within ourselves leads us to

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