All right, we don't have time for any of that nonsense because we have a pop-up episode to get to. This is one of those weeks in which the news necessitates a quick turnaround and a monomaniacal approach.

So I give you without further ado or adornment

the breaking news that Andy McCarthy

who is the guest on my fifth ever podcast, has revised his opinion on the topic we discussed

and necessitated a revisiting of the sort that the now ghostly Luther Abel has

started staging in the local badminton courts.

Well I have this week my first ever repeat guest, or at least my first ever repeat guest within the main section of the podcast.

I guess is Andy McCarthy.

Andy, welcome to the Charles CW Cook podcast.

Charlie, I'm honored.

The second timer, first, second timer, that's great.

There you go.

Well, one reason for this and the other than...

Well that, yeah. That's... I am of course a big fan is that the topic we're going to talk about today

We already talked about once in an early episode titled FBI or FB No and I was at the time and still am an

FB No I think as I thought then that the FBI is

irredeemable and should be scrapped and rethought at least before it's repurposed or reconstituted.

Now you said on that podcast that you shared many of my reservations about the FBI,

but you didn't hold that view, at least not as drastically as I did.

But in the last week or so I sensed you moving a little bit, so I thought I would have you back on and we would discuss what if anything has changed.

Well I think your position is a lot stronger today than I you know in principle it's the same position but the

evidence for it is stronger today than it was when we spoke about it the last

...