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Episode 29: After the Druze massacre, can Israel make peace with Joulani? A conversation with Druze activist Rania Fadel Dean

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🗓️ 17 July 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

The clashes in Sweida in southern Syria this week focused world attention on the plight of the Druze and questions about the nature of the new Syrian government. Videos and claims of atrocities drove hundreds of Golan Druze to rush into Syria to the rescue of their brethren. Israeli strikes in Damascus against Syrian forces raised the stakes and led to questions, including in Israel itself, about how Israel can protect the Druze while not sacrificing an expansion of the Abraham Accords.


Rania Fadel Dean comes from a prominent Israeli Druze family. Her organization, Covenant, seeks to teach Americans about the Druze community. She joins us to share an Israeli Druze perspective, including what she's hearing from friends and family members in Sweida.


This episode was sponsored by Bennett and Robin Greenspan of Houston, Texas, strong supporters of Israel who recognize Israel's centrality and vitality to the Jewish world. They asked to dedicate this episode to lone soldiers serving in the IDF.


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0:00.0

Hi, everybody.

0:06.0

Welcome to another episode of Ask Chaviv Anything.

0:09.7

This is an emergency episode because of dramatic developments in the Middle East.

0:15.3

The Middle East will do that to you quite often.

0:17.4

So here's another emergency episode.

0:20.5

This one is very close to my heart on a

0:23.1

subject that really sparked a lot of worry among many, many Israelis, and not just among our

0:29.5

Drew's brethren, but among Jews, among every Jew I know. On July 11, in what looked like a simple crime at the time,

0:41.0

a vegetable seller, a Druze vegetable seller on the road from Swayda,

0:45.4

outside of Swayda, the city in southern Syria,

0:48.0

that is majority Drew's, was kidnapped by Bedouin Sunni militia tribe. depending on which news outlet you talk to, it's a

0:57.0

different word. And that sparked the beginning of what Western media has called sectarian

1:03.2

violence. When you don't entirely understand and don't 100% know who we're talking about,

1:08.9

and everybody's a little bit brown, it can all be called

1:11.7

sectarian violence, and there's no right and there's no wrong, and the details don't really

1:15.4

matter. The details matter to me very, very much. And the first person I called, roughly around when

1:24.4

the death toll passed 150 in the fighting that ensued, and for the umpteenth time,

1:31.6

the Druze communities of southern Syria were threatened, dramatically, profoundly,

1:36.3

and the Syrian army and the excuse of this violence between the Bedouin Sunnis and the Druze

1:42.1

then began marching south of Damascus to Sweda,

1:46.0

allegedly, according to the Syrian government of Mr. Jolani, in order to conduct some law

1:53.3

enforcement, in order to quiet the violence and restore order and sovereignty and all kinds of

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