Hey, welcome to the Happy Ramp Podcast. I am Ted Cluck joined as always in studio by my good friend, my partner in radio, Ron Martin.

Ronald, we are without our boy pipe again this week.

Piper is very important man.

He's traveling, he's in Boston, which I hear is a nice college town.

And he's given talks.

This time of year, too, I heard.

Yeah, yeah, lovely, this type of year,

time of year, type of year.

He's giving talks, he's living the traveling speaker's dream and where are you today baby? Are you are you back home?

Yeah, baby. I'm in a town. Everything's good. I'm heading to Indianapolis tomorrow, but I'm here today. So it's great.

Maybe what's an indie? Tell us about that. Big M doing a little conference speaking herself and

then and then I'll be preaching at a church that's hosting the conference so yeah

we're just doing the gig man do what a power family man oh it's a power team it's a power team it's a power team. It's a power team.

Dude, I feel like, and this is no shade on anybody,

but I feel like if you guys had like kind of skipped the music thing

and started in ministry, like, at at the very beginning you guys would be

super famous by now that's my that's my assessment of it you know what I mean like I'm glad you

did the music thing it was it was what you most wanted to do so that's that's what you needed to be doing but I'm just saying yeah I think that I think the same thing would have really popped at a high level is all I'm saying

you know you never know you never know why you know why is why and what is why and what is what and I think big

him could have gotten in on the ground floor the whole like you know women and

reformed him thing she cut it she could have gotten some of that Jen Wilkin action you know what I mean oh for sure

baby she doesn't like that's not this is the thing about big M and you know her

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