In this episode Toby sits down with Carmen VanderHeiden Brodie & Mike McTernan of Removery! They share how each got started in the business, Carmen taking the chance and selling her house and buying a laser, the ins and outs of the business, working with prisoners and abused women to help change lives, the passion behind the company, building relationships and staying involved in the tattoo community, different body mods, the healing process and aftercare and much more!

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