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I've heard of it, I've never read it. It's pretty fucking good. It's like, I mean, it's just telling Tom, it's just like, you know, just imagine getting a posse of your friends and going to Kansas and just hacking some slave owners to dance. It's just like, well, you know, it's a nice afternoon, nice way to spin your eyes.

You know, I have a friend who, I think this is okay for me to repeat. I have a friend who was a student of Eric Foner and learned from Eric Foner that Foner, and I'll hit, you know, he comes from a kind of old communist family, you know, so the thirties and so on. And Foner, I think, remained a member, if I remember, I just say this with just a little bit of disavow of like the Friends of John Brown society or something like that that gathered every year.

At his grave, which he's like, way the hell up and upstate, it's like at the Canadian border. Yeah, North help us. Yeah, yeah, they got you know, but I imagine this is still happening to this day that on his, I guess, his birthday, probably, I realized how much of this I'm making up. Maybe his birthday, I don't know, they gather like a society of little communists who gathered his grave, though, which I've always thought was very cool.

That's the shit, honestly, just like a pilgrimage. Yeah, yeah, where, where, where, where is this grave at? Did you say it's called North Elbeds, like in the Adirondacks.

Interesting. Yeah, it like, it was this farm they lived on next to a settled community of former slaves, like escape slaves called Timbuktu.

The general escape slaves gathered near the Canadian border for obvious reasons.

Right, right. But yeah, no, my, my guy was like, he, he definitely, as Tom said, he's the first crazy crazy ass white boy.

I think a grand tradition.

I love the story of, you know, the, the attempt to recruit Frederick Douglass to come with him on the Harpers ferry raid.

That's what I was just telling him about. Frederick Douglass, he's like, dude, okay, like, go for it.

But you have to say, I think in retrospect, it's hard to come to a conclusion besides like, it worked.

It didn't work in exactly the way he thought, right? But it did, it did actually work.

Yeah. And, you know, for that, I mean, you know, it's impossible to get a given up credit.

No, it's like, I was telling Tom, like as soon as like, the fugitive slave act and like Missouri compromise and everything, like John Brown was like dead certain this was only going to in one way and it was civil war.

It's like he knew it really before anybody else.

Yeah, and he also do that there was going to be a central role for the enslaved in that process.

Right. Right. No, you know, very few northern abolitionists realized at that point.

Right. Right. Right.

Yeah, no, not relevant really to what we're talking about today, but just, you know, something I've just been thinking about.

Okay, so welcome to the Child Bill. He's everybody this week.

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