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Episode #26: Gen. Stanley McChrystal Speaks at the Brookings Institution on the Evolution of JSOC

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🗓️ 28 January 2013

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

Osama bin Laden may have been the most notorious face of al-Qaeda before his death, but a terrorist by the name of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi arguably had far more blood on his hands—and for years was enemy number one for the United States government. Running the al-Qaeda franchise in Iraq, Zarqawi and his followers usurped the Sunni insurgency and through vicious attacks on Iraqi civilians stoked a civil war pitting Sunnis and Shiites against each other. His damage was so great that even after American special operators, intelligence experts and Air Force pilots successfully tracked down and killed Zarqawi in June 2006, General Stanley McChrystal wrote in his newly published memoir My Share of the Task (Penguin Group USA, 2013) that it was “too late. He bequeathed Iraq a sectarian paranoia and an incipient civil war.” Nevertheless, the special operations machine built to defeat Zarqawi’s network continued to run full tilt, eventually having a strategic impact when married to the full-spectrum counterinsurgency and diplomatic pressures of "the surge." On January 28, the 21st Century Defense Initiative at Brookings hosted a discussion featuring a keynote address by General Stanley A. McChrystal (ret.) that will, for the first time, focus on this crucial part of his career and the careers of so many who worked with him. The story of how Joint Special Operations Command, working with many other agencies and nations, built itself into a powerful network capable of studying, tracking, hunting, and finally killing Zarqawi is at the heart General Stanley McChrystal’s memoir. Brookings Senior Fellow Michael O’Hanlon, director of research for Foreign Policy at Brookings, provided introductory remarks. Brookings Senior Fellow Bruce Riedel, a 30-year veteran of the CIA, interviewed General McChrystal, before moderating a discussion with the audience.

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Hello, and welcome to the LawFair podcast. I'm Benjamin Witties. Today, two of my

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Brookings colleagues, Michael Hanlon and Bruce Rydale, held a discussion with

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retired general Stanley McChrystal, former commander of the joint special operations

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command and the author of the new book My Share of the Task. The discussion, which took

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place at the Brookings institution, covered the evolution of JSOC over the course of the

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Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the future of counter

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insurgency in US military operations, and other subjects of interest to the LawFair readership,

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the event which ran around 90 minutes was introduced by O'Hanlon and moderated by

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Rydale.

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Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Brookings. Thank you very much for coming out on this

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particular day, although it's an unusual treat, even at a place where we have such amazing

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events to have General Stanley McChrystal here today. I'm Michael Hanlon, one of the

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members of the 21st Century Center for Security and Intelligence. We are hosting this event

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with Bruce Rydale, who runs the Intelligence Project within our center. And today's topic

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as you know is General McChrystal's experience, particularly at the Joint Special Operations

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Command, where for five years, you essentially lived in Iraq most of the time and built up

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an organization that it was already an impressive organization into what was the state-of-the-art

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capability that ultimately led not only to our topic of today, the tracking and ultimate

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