Episode 25: Track and Trace apps: What price for data privacy? We need to find better solutions.

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🗓️ 1 December 2020

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

In today’s episode, we are delving into the issues we discussed in our previous episode #24 on the NHS Track and Trace app and considering in more detail the legal, privacy and practicality barriers to many track and trace apps in Europe. We discuss the take up of Track and Trace apps in the EU and find it is mostly 30% of the population and lower. Data privacy when using apps has been protected due to EU GDPR, however, other basic freedoms have been taken from us and our way of life severely impacted over the course of 2020. Track and trace apps have not had the hoped-for beneficial impact in the EU. Had we taken a different approach to using more data and made the apps mandatory, could the outcomes have been different? What does this mean in practise for track and trace apps as future solutions to help governments manage pandemics? Compare and contrast to other Asian countries. If 70 - 80% app usage is realistically needed to be effective, then why did we not make track and trace apps mandatory? What are we to learn from countries in Asia? How do we find a rapid and effective way to discuss and agree the extended use of our data to improve outcomes, rapidly, either during pandemics or outside of them? As Privacy, Legal and Tech professionals we must continue this conversation and find a framework for agreeing the greater use of data in a mandatory way to support better pandemic and health outcomes. The economic costs of lockdowns are extremely high and have a direct effect on a nation's ability to provide future healthcare. Our short term fix to today's problem could cause many more problems for the future. GDPR Now! Is brought to you by Data Protection 4 Business & This Is DPO. www.dpo4business.co.uk www.thisisdpo.co.uk. Guests Roger Marlow Roger has worked in software for over 30 years with experience in building software for the finance, retail, automative and government sectors. He has been involved in the creation of several companies including a healthcare technology company that works for the NHS. Guests Mark Sherwood-Edwards Mark helps CEOs negotiate smarter, more profitable, contracts. During his time spent working in law firms and also as in-house counsel he specialised in contracts as well as sales-contracting transformation, in organisations across the fintech, adtech, tech and outsourcing sectors. Founder Clearview Legal https://clearviewlegal.co.uk/Special Guests: Mark Sherwood-Edwards and Roger Marlow.

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to another episode of GDPR Now, a podcast dedicated to all things related to data security and data privacy, brought to you by Data Protection for Business and this is DPO.
0:13.8	Your host today is me, Karen Heaton, owner of Data Protection for Business, still recording from my home office in southwest London.
0:21.8	This episode is part of our series of podcasts addressing security and privacy concerns,
0:27.7	resulting from the coronavirus pandemic and the shift in working practices for millions of
0:32.1	businesses across the UK and the world.
0:35.3	In today's episode, we are delving into the issues we discussed in a previous
0:39.8	episode number 24 on the NHS track and trace app and we're going to consider in more detail
0:46.3	the legal privacy and practicality barriers that we talked about. We're also going to discuss
0:53.0	what this means and practice for these apps as future solutions when we need to help governments manage pandemics.
1:00.4	So on our show today, I'm delighted to welcome Mark Sherwood Edwards and Roger Marlow, both experts in their respective fields.
1:10.0	Mark is a fellow GDPR now host, leading lawyer and technology
1:13.8	in FinTech, and founder of Clearview Legal. Mark has kindly agreed to join us today in our search
1:20.6	for app enlightenment. Mark, welcome. Good to be here. Thank you for joining us. Also on our show today, we welcome Roger Marlow.
1:31.3	Roger's a software professional with extensive experience in software projects, including
1:35.3	banking, defence, automotive, as well as ten years in the NHS.
1:40.3	As Roger has his own software company which provides IT services into the NHS, he's also in a unique position to give us a benefit of his government-based experience.
1:51.9	And you can often find Roger who writes regularly for Toby Young's lockdownsceptics website.
1:58.4	So welcome, Roger. Thank you for joining us today. Thanks Karen. Good to be on the show.
2:05.3	You're welcome. So quick summary then. In our last episode, that was episode 24, we talked about
2:13.3	the NHS track and trace app. We did a quick summary of how did we get here,
2:20.2	what the difference was between the Apple and Google solution
2:23.2	and the original NHSX solution that was built.
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