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I talk a lot about how you need help when you're venturing in to a new thing a new project whether you're

moving whether you're changing jobs whatever the case may be and back in in October of 2020 when I started my podcast,

there was an individual that was great to me,

and he's a podcaster, Jeff Holden,

and Jeff is awesome and has been awesome to me. He taught me the

ropes he edited my shows for a couple of months whenever I had a technical issue he was right there he was

always helping me always lending a hand and I used to go down to a studio when I was

in Sacramento and visit with him and I had the utmost respect for Jeff and again he taught me a lot

I didn't know how to distribute my podcast I didn't know anything about podcasting again I knew nothing and he said don't worry

I'll walk you through it it's really easy and once you get the hang of it you're

gonna go wow I can't believe how simple this is and he was absolutely correct

and we still stay in touch.

I had the utmost respect for Jeff,

and over a year ago, he almost lost his life.

And Jeff now has a podcast that started a week ago called Imperfect Heart. So before we bring on

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