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This Jungian Life Podcast

Episode 226 - HERMES: Divine Trickster

This Jungian Life Podcast

Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano

Jungian, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Psychology, Dreams, Jung, Relationships, Selfhelp, Society & Culture, Psychoanalysis

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2022

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Karl Kerenyi collaborated with Jung in demonstrating the psychological meaning of Greek mythology. Kerenyi found in Hermes a representation of “a third way of living life, besides the Apollonian rational and the Dionysian irrational. God of jokes and journeys, thieves and magicians, the tricky Guide of Souls” arrives as a surprise. Like the quicksilver that is his Roman name, Mercury/Hermes appears on winged sandals, heralding the new. Hermes disdains regulation and law to deliver new ideas, dissolve opposites, and provide decisive experiences. Just as he alone traversed the realms--from the heights of Mt. Olympus to the underworld of Hades--Hermes now swifts his way from the unconscious to ego awareness. Hermes is the symbol of a living reality seeking conscious acknowledgment, the agent of creativity and transformation. How we perceive his message is not his interest. He is already gone.

Here’s the dream we analyze:

“I’m on a piece of inhabited land, by the shore, with many others in a beach town. Some of the people I know, some I do not. Across the water is an island. It looks like Devil’s Tower in Wyoming (the one in Close Encounters of the Third Kind), but this island is lush, tropical, and Jurassic. It’s a beautiful day, close to sunset, and the view is gorgeous. All of the sudden, we all realize there are three enormous boats that look like cruise ships balancing on the edge of the top of the island. They’re huge, a third of the height of the island. One looks old, two look new. No one knows how they got there. There is a theory they went ashore when the water level was higher, but we all know that doesn’t make much sense... we would have seen them there long ago, but in this case, they just appeared, seemingly out of nowhere. We all realize they’re about to fall as they’re balanced precariously. As we anticipate an enormous crash, we take shelter. I can see them fall slowly off the top of the island to the base. There is a lot of destruction - so much dust and debris, and the sky gets very hazy. But I am safe. The next morning, we wake up, and it’s a beautiful day. The shape of the island across the water is totally different. It’s been totally reconstructed by the crash of the boats (which are no longer visible). The island looks a lot less ominous in shape. I look to my left and see that some of the debris from the island has landed in the water, which allowed for a bike path to be built from our land to the island, across the water. I realize perhaps this crash has actually improved things for the better, and everything feels calm and beautiful.”

REFERENCES:

Karl Kerenyi. Hermes: Guide of Souls. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0882140949/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_FWG6RQ37RTQYF4X0MZGN

Rafael Lopez-Pedraza. Hermes and His Children. https://www.amazon.com/dp/3856307354/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_VA65WSXZ59B9ZECAREVK

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to this Jungian life.

0:03.0

Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Martiano,

0:07.0

Debra Stewart and Joseph Lee invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation

0:12.0

that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day.

0:17.0

I'm Lisa Martiano and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia.

0:22.0

I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a Jungian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

0:27.0

I'm Debra Stewart, a Jungian analyst and Cape Cod.

0:37.0

Today we're going to talk about Hermes, the archetype of Hermes, a bit of the mythology,

0:44.0

and the way that the stories of Hermes have influenced and shaped some of our understanding about the analytic process.

0:56.0

Debra and I are going to be doing the podcast today because Lisa is a way on a trip.

1:02.0

I'll begin with a quote by Carl Carreño.

1:06.0

There was a third way of living life besides the Apollonian rational and the Dionysian irrational.

1:16.0

Hermes way, the way of roguery, God of jokes and journeys, thieves and magicians, the tricky guide of souls.

1:29.0

Hermes, the only one that is going to rob you or enrich you, enlighten you or screw you, the split second timing,

1:41.0

the spirit of finding and beaving.

1:46.0

You know, it's really remarkable to think of that as a third major function because it's so entrancing and so elusive and yet I think instantly recognizable

2:03.0

of that quick silvery thing that we recognize that is neither Apollonian, well-reasoned, disciplined, thoughtful,

2:16.0

nor is it the Dionysian sort of pleasure of principle.

2:22.0

So we have quite a task in front of us of walking around this elusive and yet incredibly appealing image.

2:33.0

And where does that live in the psyche?

2:36.0

I think that when Jung came upon alchemy and the alchemists both as physical scientists but also the philosophical alchemists

2:48.0

wrote extensively about mercury and when they anthropomorphized it, they turned it into an entity, mercurious.

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