People I know will still say out January 6th much you do about nothing.

Donald Trump had nothing to do with it.

Smallest people in the world, lawyers.

I'm going to say at the end of the campaign, you would actually have, you know, I'd say,

but what about the President of the United States ordering his attorney general to arrest his opponent and his opponent's family two weeks before it just goes right over people's neck.

So we live in two alternative universes and I have come to accept the fact that the things that I believe are direct threats to American democracy.

A large number of Americans just don't care about.

They care about inflation. They care about gas prices.

They care about things that obviously are extraordinarily important.

My dad would care about it, but we're still we're in two different worlds.

We're talking past them. Why? That's such an astute point.

And you've raised, I think, what is actually really hard here, which is that it's incredibly important to call out and talk about on this show and in your life, everything you just mentioned.

It would be irresponsible not to. It's it's been a lot of progress in the media to get folks to call these things what they are.

And yet we risk living in perpetual reaction to these outrageous and forgetting to do the second thing that chewing gum along with the walking that is offering people a thrilling galvanizing magnanimous vision of the future that is more exciting than what the other side is offering.

The scary thing right now is that the people who want to end liberal democracy as we know it in America and who don't want to include who would rather break the Republic and share it.

They are offering a vision that reads to many Americans as more welcoming and more inviting and more fun, frankly.

And the people who are on the pro democracy side trying to build a better movement are failing at that.

And so I set out to learn from people who show a different way and they say there's a bunch of things we need to do that can move some of those friends.

We need to command attention much more effectively on the pro democracy side in the way that the right is very good at.

We need to for some of your friends, a lawyer friends and others do a better job at making meaning of these things that are happening and actually understanding their intuitions, having empathy for what they value and explaining to them.

Empathetically and with care, not contempt.

Why it is that what's happening to the country violates what they believe, not just what we believe.

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