These underlying contradictions that seem to be driving the intensity of the current political

landscape, Tom.

What do you make of that?

I understand your optimism here, but that hasn't been resolved.

It seems to me.

Well, I defer to your works, which I've read and admired.

I think that there is a 20% of America.

It basically is white nationalist, that in recent years, felt permission to act out on

that, and were given permission by the president and the Republican Party.

I think the large bulk of Americans don't like white nationalism, especially violent

white nationalism, and they are reacting to it now and saying enough is enough.

You people go back under your rock.

So, Tom, while I agree with your assessment about the lessening danger of a civil war among

Americans, there is a view of feeling that there is a virus out there, an infection caused

by specifically largely one person over the last five or six years.

That person is no longer in office.

And the people who are most susceptible to catching one of the permutations of this virus

are Americans who have suffered some sort of sense of loss over the past 10 or 15 years,

whether it's the loss of a child in war, the loss of a home due to the economic collapse,

they've suffered a sense of loss and still live with it.

And they are the most susceptible to this virus, whether you call it white nationalism,

or people who just don't believe in government and want to overthrow any existing form of

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