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The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast

Episode 207: Herder on Art Appreciation (Part Two)

The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast

Mark Linsenmayer

Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 21 January 2019

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Continuing on Johann Gottfried von Herder's "The Causes of Sunken Taste among the Different Peoples in Whom It Once Blossomed" (1775), then moving to "On the Influence of the Belles Lettres on the Higher Sciences" (1781), "Does Painting or Music Have a Greater Effect? A Divine Colloquy" (1785), and and some of Critical Forests: Fourth Grove (written 1769). With guest rock god John "Jughead" Pierson.

What grounds good taste in a society? Can an aesthetic education ground abstract thought? What would such an education consist in? Which is more affecting, music or painting?

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Hey, you're listening to partially examine life episode 207 part two on

0:21.8

Johann got freed herders

0:23.6

We're talking about the causes of sunken taste among different peoples in who it once blossomed

0:28.8

And we will I'm sure be moving pretty soon to on the influence of the

0:33.2

Belletzras on the higher sciences

0:36.5

And then there's a couple other things. Yeah, I think we can move pretty quickly through this

0:41.2

Yeah, I think we actually talked through a lot of this

0:44.0

But I just there are some specific things in here that I think are really worthwhile reading

0:47.6

But yeah, so this seems like a good transition to part two of the essay

0:51.8

The causes of sunken taste among the different people once blossomed to give some historical

0:55.7

Examples that I think you can hit pretty quickly and then the companion essay that was written 60 years later on the

1:04.0

Belletzras is really an outline of an aesthetic program

1:07.7

It kind of starts exactly where this essay stops

1:10.5

An aesthetic program for his own society or you know recommended for any society

1:14.6

What would be good artistic training training in the humanities to make somebody a good citizen to get all the virtues that the art should bring you

1:23.7

This will be his positive account of what grounds good taste in the society and you can see from right from the start

1:30.4

He's talking about ancient Greece and the fact that for Homer the heroic exploits of the Greeks at the gates of Troy

1:37.3

Where an object of national concern this idea of something being a an object of vital concern to a society is something that we're going to see over and over again in this section

1:47.4

And there's a lot that's really interesting here about that sort of grounding

1:51.9

So he says similarly in part two with Greek drama the stage was a vital concern of a public such as Athens was

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