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The Literary Life Podcast

Episode 198: “The Mind of the Maker” by Dorothy L. Sayers, Ch. 6-8

The Literary Life Podcast

Angelina Stanford

Education, Selfeducation, Classicaleducation, Reading, Literature, Homeschool, Arts, Books, Charlottemason, Homeeducation, Homeschooling

4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 14 November 2023

⏱️ 99 minutes

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Summary

Today’s episode of The Literary Life is a continuation of our series covering The Mind of the Maker by Dorothy L. Sayers. Angelina, Cindy, and Thomas discuss chapters 6-8 this week, which they acknowledge are probably the most difficult portions of this book so far. Angelina starts off with some questions she has about why chapter six in included and how it fits with other arguments she has already made earlier. Thomas reads and expands on a passage about the autobiographer and his art. Angelina makes a distinction between moral goodness and artistic goodness in works of fiction and art. Cindy highlights the idea of justification and something being “out of true.”

Coming up from House of Humane Letters on November 16, 2023, Jennifer Rogers’ webinar on Tolkien and The Old English Tradition. You can sign up now and save your spot!

Commonplace Quotes:

My friend, the Scottish poet and translator Alastair Reid, carries a lifetime’s worth of poems—an entire small library—in his head. “Do you memorize them?” someone asked him once. “No,” he answered gravely. “I remember them.”

Christian McEwan, World Enough and Time

The book everywhere exhibits the style and temper for which the author was both loved and hated. The essays are full of cheerful energy. The young people would call them ‘bonhomous’.

By a bonhomous writer they mean one who seems to like writing and what he writes of, and to assume that his readers will mostly be people he would like. I think that this last assumption is what infuriates them.

C. S. Lewis, Image and Imagination

If you are not careful…you’ll be a genius when you grow up and disgrace your parents.

Elizabeth von Arnim, Elizabeth and Her German Garden

The Bird and the Tree

by Ruth Pitter

The tree, and its haunting bird, Are the loves of my heart; But where is the word, the word, Oh where is the art, To say, or even to see, For a moment of time, What the Tree and the Bird must be In the true sublime? They shine, listening to the soul, And the soul replies; But the inner love is not whole, and the moment dies. O give me before I die The grace to see With eternal, ultimate eye, The Bird and the Tree. The song in the living green, The Tree and the Bird– O have they ever been seen, Ever been heard?

Books Mentioned:

David Copperfield by Charles Dickens

Vile Bodies by Evelyn Waugh

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Connect with Us:

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Find Cindy at morningtimeformoms.com, on Instagram @cindyordoamoris and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/CindyRollinsWriter. Check out Cindy’s own Patreon page also!

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Transcript

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0:00.0

You're going to. This is not just another book chat podcast.

0:22.8

Lifelong,

0:24.8

joins teachers Angelina Stanford and Thomas Banks

0:27.6

for an ongoing conversation

0:29.5

about the skill and art of reading well.

0:33.0

Explore the lost intellectual tradition

0:35.6

and discover how to fully enter into the great works of literature.

0:40.2

Learn what books mean while delighting

0:42.4

in the sheer joy of imagination.

0:45.0

Each week we will rescue a story from the ivory tower

0:49.0

and bring it to your couch, your kitchen, and your commute.

0:53.6

The literary life is for everyone, because in the words of Stratford Caldecott,

0:57.9

to be enchanted by story is to be granted a deeper insight into reality.

1:03.5

Join us for an ever unfolding discussion

1:06.6

of how stories will save the world.

1:09.5

This is the Literary Life Podcast. Hello and welcome back to the literary life podcast. Today we are going to be talking about Dorothy Sayers

1:34.6

the mind of the maker, continuing with our series and covering chapters six through

1:40.6

eight. I am Angelina Stanford and here with me are my two favorite people to talk about

1:46.7

books with, especially hard books where I plan to look at you both today like a deer in the headlights and say but but trying to be cool about it and

1:54.3

be like so what did you think this chapter said to try to mask my own complete confusion here

2:00.4

we go these two people the mysterious Mr Banks hello and welcome hello hello and

2:06.9

And Cindy soft beach waves Rollins hello ready for the beach I think.

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