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Osterholm Update

Episode 184: Fool's Gold: Reframing the Science

Osterholm Update

CIDRAP

Science

4.82.9K Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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<p>In "Fool's Gold: Reframing the Science," Dr. Osterholm and Chris Dall discuss the latest federal actions surrounding vaccine policy, report on a new COVID variant sweeping Asia, and give an update on measles cases across North America.</p> <p>Learn more about the <a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/vaccine-integrity-project">Vaccine Integrity Project</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/viewpoint-making-key-covid-vaccine-decisions-without-input-transparency-public-disservice">Viewpoint: Making key COVID vaccine decisions without input, transparency is a public disservice</a> (Vaccine Integrity Project Staff and Advisers)</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/osterholm-update-covid-19"><strong>MORE EPISODES</strong></a>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p><a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/support-cidrap"><strong>SUPPORT THIS PODCAST</strong></a></p>

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Osterholm Update, a podcast on COVID-19 and other infectious diseases with Dr. Michael Osterholm.

0:15.4

Dr. Ostrome is an internationally recognized medical detective and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, or CIDRAP, at the University of Minnesota. In this podcast, Dr. O. Strom

0:26.9

draws on nearly 50 years of experience investigating infectious disease outbreaks to provide

0:31.8

straight talk on the latest infectious disease and public health threats. I'm Chris Dahl,

0:37.2

reporter for CidWap News, and I'm your host for these conversations.

0:44.2

Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of the Ostromo Update podcast.

0:48.9

Early last week, leadership at the Food and Drug Administration laid out what they

0:52.9

called an evidence-based approach

0:54.7

to COVID-19 vaccination in an article in the New England Journal of Medicine.

0:58.9

In the piece, FDA Commissioner, Dr. Marty McCari, an FDA Center for Biologics

1:03.4

Evaluation and Research Director, Dr. Vinay Prasad, said that moving forward, the agency will

1:09.0

limit access to COVID-19 vaccines to people 65 and older

1:12.6

and those who have certain conditions that put them at high risk of becoming severely ill if infected.

1:18.4

For all other groups, vaccine manufacturers will be required to conduct randomized clinical trials

1:24.1

to prove safety and efficacy.

1:26.5

The new framework is a significant departure from the

1:29.3

policy that has governed COVID-19 vaccination policy in the U.S. Under that policy, updated

1:34.6

COVID shots have been introduced on a yearly basis and have been recommended for everyone

1:38.9

ages six months and older. Quote, the FDA's new COVID-19 philosophy represents a balance of regulatory

1:45.9

flexibility and a commitment to gold standard science, Makari and Prasad wrote. The FDA will

1:52.4

approve vaccines for high-risk persons and, at the same time, demand robust gold-standard data

1:58.4

on persons at low risk. The new COVID vaccine framework, and what it

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