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You're listening to the partially examined life episode 171 part two on Robert Wright's book

Why Buddhism is true the science and philosophy of meditation and enlightenment?

We're here with Robert still and the full boat of hosts

It's a crowded place

So maybe we should turn uh slow down a little and turn back to the no self doctrine in fact

Bob you'd point at us to an original text that you discuss at some length in chapter five of your book

Buddha's second discourse on the not self-characteristic right?

Yeah, that's a famous supposedly certainly in in teravodin tradition at least that's considered

His second sermon after his enlightenment. I mean the first sermon after his enlightenment is the famous

Suffering is the problem these are the roots of suffering. This is what you do and then as a kind of

Testament to what an important doctrine not self is

It's this discourse on the not self that is supposedly his second discourse after his enlightenment and the further underscores importance

It is said at the end of this that all the monks who listened to this

Immediately became so-called aura hotz which basically means they attained enlightenment by virtue of grasping the idea of

Not self. So it's an important document

That seems a punchline for a lot of those old documents is that they teach teach teach and they're enlightened

Yeah, well, this is you know by the way if you if you look at the sati patana suta the sutra that describes mindfulness meditation

Sati being the term that has been translated as mindfulness at the end of that it says if you do all this right

You can attain nirvana

So it sounds like wait a second. What is it that brings nirvana is it grasping not self as a mindfulness meditation?

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