All right, man.

Hey, Charles, I want to welcome you and thank you for coming on.

I'll tell you when Zach approached me a while back and said,

we want to start a podcast.

You were one of the first people.

I said, we've got to get Charles on there. I try to get Joe Anderson. Joe's still giving me the cold shoulder. He don't want to talk to anybody yet, but I said, Charles is a guy that's been doing this. You know, do you remember, Charles, I don't know, you may not know, do you know who Barbara Mandrell was?

She was a country western singer.

She had a song.

So she had a song it was called I was country when country wasn't cool right

and I ain't gonna sing it to because I'm an awful singer but Charles was like he was carnivore when

carnivore wasn't cool or zero carb as you guys as you've been as you've kind of chosen a name but charles you've

been doing this diet now for going on i think in august you'll be at 11 years if i'm not mistaken

is that correct that's right and let me and i know you were kind of initially you and i'll tell you

i want to thank charles because charles has been you know a lot of people are asking me saying i

started i there's no way i didn't start this stuff. I've been kind of, you know, promoting it pretty heavily, but Charles have been doing this stuff for 10 years and there's people, you know, even before Charles and there's, you know, there's guys that can go back a long, long time that have kind of discovered this thing. But Charles did a really great service. He started a Facebook group called zeroing in on health after he kind of parted ways with kind of a

Jimmy Moore low carb form that is great service. He started a Facebook group called Zeroing in on Health after he kind of

parted ways with kind of a Jimmy Moore low carb form. They just didn't fit well. And so they,

they branched off made their own group. And then now, the last I looked, you guys are over 19,000

members. You're the largest group of, you know, zero carb carnivore group on the planet. You've got

all these people that have been doing this for years and years and years and

dispensing wonderful advice. And I follow that stuff. You know, when I went on Joe Rogan's show and he was like, what? You got your information from Facebook? I said, well, yeah, I did. And it was Charles's group that I was, you know, it was fascinating to me because I was seeing stuff like these medical conditions that don't normally go away. Things like arthritis and rheumatoid arthritis, particularly, these are things that I had always known as a Western medicine doctor to be chronically progressive and they don't go away. And I was seeing reversal of this stuff, and not just once or twice, but, you know, duplicated tens and dozens and even hundreds of times. And that's what really piqued my interest. And I want to thank Charles for, you know, just having that group and making it public so people like myself can wander in there and go, wait a minute, and start to say, wait a minute, there's something here. And so, Charles, that's one of the thank you for that stuff. And I want to give you as much credit as I possibly can for being one of the, one, at least in this movement. Now, probably there's some Inuit woman up there in Greenland laughing at all of us saying, what are you talking about? 10 years, I've been doing it for 80 years. So you've got to speak about that. I think we get a hold of one of those old Inuit grandmothers and ask her some questions. It would be a great interview if we could speak the language. But, you know, we always have these, what do I do about cramps? All of some. They probably got some ancient remedy that works just fine that we don't know about, but it's interesting. So, Charles, can you briefly, because, you know, and not to take too much time, but just kind of tell us what drove you 11 years ago to say, hey, I'm going to go eat just meat? I mean, that's crazy. What prompted you to do that stuff? I started, I think, 2006, you know, I went to, you, I've got a wife, so she bugged me to go to the doctor, all this kind of stuff. I go on pre-diabetic, overweight, all of that. So I started this low-fat diet, and I lost a ton of weight. I was 221. I got down to, like, 160, I think. And, or no, no, no. Yeah, something like that, 160, 170. And I got there, and I was starving. And, you know, I looked in the mirror and I cut, you know, I had these love

handles. I was skinny, but I just kind of looked funny. So then I read on, you know, I started

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