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Episode 155: Chris McCurdy discusses kratom’s benefits and possible risks

STEM-Talk

Dawn Kernagis and Ken Ford

Health & Fitness, Nutrition, Science, Natural Sciences, Alternative Health

4.6694 Ratings

🗓️ 20 July 2023

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

Today we have the world’s foremost authority on kratom returning to STEM-Talk after five years to give us an update on his research. Shortly after his 2018 interview on episode 61,  Dr. Christopher McCurdy and his lab at the University of Florida received two major grants from the National Institute of Drug Abuse to investigate the medical efficacy of kratom and its alkaloids, which we discuss in today’s show. Mitragyna speciosa, or kratom, is an herbal leaf from a tropical evergreen tree in the coffee family.  It is native to Southeast Asia where it has been used in herbal medicine for hundreds of years. Kratom has become increasingly popular in the United States and throughout the world for recreational purposes. But kratom is also becoming recognized in the medical and research communities for its treatment for chronic pain as well as its potential to alleviate opioid withdrawal symptoms. For more than 25 years, McCurdy has studied the design, synthesis, and development of drugs to treat pain, anxiety, and substance-abuse disorders. For the past 15 years, Chris and his lab have turned a lot of their attention toward kratom and its chemical components to better understand its potential to treat a multitude of conditions. Chris is a professor in the Medicinal Chemistry Department in the College of Pharmacy at the University of Florida. He also is director of the of school’s Translational Drug Development Core and an Associate Dean for Faculty Development. Our interview with Chris comes on the heels of Florida passing the Kratom Consumer Protection Act, which mandates that kratom products sold in the state meet a high standard of product purity. In today’s interview, we talk to Chris about the protection act as well as: -- The numerous studies he has been able to conduct thanks to his lab’s two grants from the National Institute of Drug Abuse. -- The disparity between the traditional use of kratom and the new often highly concentrated manufactured products sold in the U.S. -- His lab’s study examining the effects of lyophilized kratom tea and its ability to alleviate withdrawal symptoms of opioid-dependence. -- The potential of kratom alkaloids to serve as treatment of various substance abuse disorders. -- The benefits and risks associated with CBD usage. Show notes [00:03:21] Dawn opens the interview welcoming Chris back to STEM-Talk and mentions that his last appearance was episode 61 in 2018. Dawn explains that Chris has devoted much of his research to kratom, or Mitragyna speciosa, which is a traditional Southeast Asian medicine. It has been used by indigenous populations for centuries to increase endurance, enhance mood, treat pain, and mitigate opioid withdrawal symptoms. Dawn asks Chris to give a short overview of kratom and why it is attracting so much attention recently. [00:09:14] Ken mentions that at the time Chris first appeared on STEM-Talk, he was in the process of attracting funding to take a deep dive into kratom, which he has now secured from the National Institute of Drug Abuse. Ken asks Chris to give a general overview of the research they are conducting with this grant and what they are finding. [00:15:19] Dawn mentions that in Chris’s last interview on STEM-Talk, he mentioned that researching kratom was difficult due to a lack of standardization and asks if this has changed. [00:21:11] Ken asks about a Thai product that is a freeze-dried leaf, which is coming to the US market, and if this product is more like what is used in Southeast Asia as opposed to the ground leaf material available in the U.S. market. [00:24:29] Dawn mentions that in 2020, Chris and a colleague published an article in the journal Current Opinion in Psychiatry on the need to address the disparity between the traditional use of kratom and the new often highly concentrated manufactured products sold in the U.S. and other countries. Dawn asks Chris to talk about the points made in this arti...

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0:00.0

Welcome to STEM Talk.

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Stem Talk.

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Stem Talk.

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Stem Talk.

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Stem Talk.

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Welcome to Stem Talk, where we introduce you to fascinating people who passionately

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inhabit the scientific and technical frontiers of our society.

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Hi, I'm your host, Don Cornegas, and joining me to introduce today's podcast as a man

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behind the curtain, Dr. Ken Ford, IHMC's director, and chairman of the double secret selection committee that selects all the guests who appear on STEM Talk.

0:25.6

Hello, Don, great to be here.

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So, Mitragyna speciosa, otherwise known as Cratum, is an herbal leaf from a tropical evergreen tree in the coffee family.

0:35.6

And it's native to Southeast Asia where it's been used in herbal medicine for hundreds of years.

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And Kratom has become increasingly popular in the United States and also throughout the world as a

0:44.8

treatment for things like chronic pain, treating opioid withdrawal symptoms, and also for

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recreational purposes.

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The internet is full of misinformation regarding Kratom and of course much else, and particularly

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the misinformation regards its possible risks and its potential benefits.

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Thankfully today we have the world's foremost authority on Kratom, Dr. Christopher

1:04.8

McCurdy here with us, he's returning to STEM Talk to give us an update on his research

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since his last appearance in 2018. And there is a lot for him to give us an update on his research since his last appearance in 2018.

1:12.6

And there is a lot for him to tell us.

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And shortly after his interview in episode number 61, Chris and his lab at the University of Florida

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