All right.

We've got Iver Cummins all the way from Ireland.

I want to apologize, you know, for you guys. We don't have a translator

services attached to our iPad, our podcast yet, so you might not understand the language he

speaks. Reportedly it's English, but we have, we might have to work that. Another thing, Iver,

I've got a question for you. You do not have any picture of you in a white coat, no stethoscopes. You don't have a PhD in nutrition. What gives you the right? I mean, there are big words in medicine. I mean, you have to understand words like gluconeogenesis and hyperinsulin. Those are big medical words. What gives you the right as an engineer to delve into making comments on nutrition and health. I mean, are you crazy?

Who's going to listen to you? Yeah, that's a good question now, Sean. I'll have to say. I'll speak

really slowly as well to make up for the outrageous accent I have. Is that okay? Is that working?

I can understand you. I've been to Ireland. I understand some of that stuff. But the average person, I don't know. No, but I'm just kidding. I mean, this is the thing, I mean, we've got so many people that are weighing in on this stuff. And it's like, you know, if you are a smart guy and you can read, you have the right to participate in this discussion in humanity, nutrition and human health and that's my

view and i'm glad there's guys like you and dave feldman and other guys that are coming from

amber o'herne coming from fields that aren't traditional nutrition because unfortunately i say i

kind of have an okay understanding of nutrition but uh despite of the fact that I'm hampered by a medical degree.

Yeah, it is a slight handicap, all right.

But as you well know, you can work through that difficulty and emerge from the other side.

But no, the thing is we're facing the democratization of medical science in the last 10 or 15 years and of course

the internet is bringing it and the access to scientific papers and studies and i have countless friends

now who are doctors and even professors and people in the family and they acknowledge that they did

not in college learn some of the crucial

things around nutrition and health and they realize now that it underpins chronic health

or chronic disease and it just doesn't really get covered and interestingly i know a professor

of medicine a really smart guy well published and a few years ago, when I was discussing my discoveries from my research, he asked me, well, you know, Ivor, you're saying it's not cholesterol that's important and it's not fat in the diet, that's a problem.

But if it's not those things that we've known, so to speak, for 30, 40 years, well, what

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