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The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Episode 145, The Mystery of Morality: Live in London (Part II - Audience Questions)

The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

Euthanasia, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Existentialism, Marxism, Kant, Ethics, Davidpapineau, Dennett, Marx, Evilgodchallenge, Cosmological, Mind, Consciousness, Courses, Nagasawa, Education, Johnstuartmill, Jeremybentham, Aristotle, Ocr, Camus, Josephfletcher, Conscience, Society & Culture, Kantianethics, Philosophy

4.8604 Ratings

🗓️ 27 July 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

'“Hello – it’s Olly here!

For Episode 145, we have another very special show for you: the recording from our live event – The Mystery of Morality – held on 12 June 2025 at London’s Royal Institution Theatre.

The event was a conversation between four of our previous guests: Richard Swinburne, Jessica Frazier, Alex O’Connor and Peter Singer. The question at the heart of the discussion: where does morality come from, and who (or what) counts morally?

It’s a brilliant discussion filled with humorous moments, but also some very serious moments and topics, such as same-sex relationships and animal rights. I think it’s one of our best shows yet. Thank you to everyone who came along to make it such a special evening. The first part of this podcast is their free-flowing conversation; the second is a Q&A with the audience. Without further ado, I’ll pass you over to Jack, live from The Royal Institution Theatre – we hope you enjoy the show.”

Links

Richard Swinburne, Website

Jessica Frazier, Website

Alex O’Connor, Website

Peter Singer, Website

Transcript

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0:00.0

Pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan,

0:07.0

Scicast.

0:08.0

If those conversations are indicators for how many people have got questions,

0:28.1

so it could be in trouble here.

0:29.2

It might have more hecklers on the way.

0:31.9

Let's hope not.

0:32.9

All right.

0:33.2

So we're going to take a question beginning here from this section.

0:36.7

My question is for Peter Singer.

0:39.0

As a moral realist myself, I'm really curious to know what convinced you of moral realism.

0:45.8

What is the main argument?

0:48.0

So one of the things that convinced me was Derek Parfitt's book On What Matters,

0:52.8

and in particular the argument that he puts there

0:55.6

about this strange person who is indifferent to whatever happens to him on a future Tuesday.

1:01.9

So this is an argument against David Hume's claim that reason in practice always starts from

1:07.8

a desire, what Yume called a passion. And Hume said, reason is slave to the passions.

1:13.4

And so Parthet asks us to imagine somebody who just doesn't have a desire about what

1:18.5

happens to him on any future Tuesday.

1:21.4

So if you ask him, in other respects he's like us, if you ask him, would you prefer to have

1:25.4

a mild headache or be tortured?

1:48.7

And let's say you're asking this question on a Wednesday and the torture, whatever is, you're going to have to have the headache today or be tortured tomorrow. He will say, of course, I'd much rather have the headache. But if you ask him the question on a Monday, he would say, well, I don't really want a headache and I don't care what happens to me on a future Tuesday. You know, I don't want to have the headache. And then he's tortured. It's a Tuesday, but it's no longer a future Tuesday and he hates what's happening to him. So Parford argues and I agree that this

1:54.6

is, this person is clearly irrational. There's something, you know, gone wrong with his reasoning

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