48.

We're excited to be having a conversation with someone.

When they have that revelation, it's making sure.

Maybe looking at this case, it could be an interesting process.

Okay.

From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour.

I'm David Remnick.

Today on the show, I'll talk with the writer Juno Diaz about his fiction and about his fierce criticism

of the government of the Dominican Republic, where he was born. And we'll meet the toughest of

women, a boxer who relishes combat so much that she fought a professional match with no prize

money to fight for. Heather Hardy talks with the New Yorkers, Kelifasane, later this hour.

Now let's start with another tough-minded soul in a very, very different line of work.

Jane Mayer is an investigative reporter. She's covered everything from the Clarence Thomas

hearings to drones and the use of torture by the CIA.

In 2010, she published an article in the magazine about the mega-billionaire industrialists

Charles and David Koch of Coke Industries and their funding of the Tea Party.

Now, back then, the Tea Party, as you may remember, was thought of as a populist uprising.

But Jane was investigating leads that the Koch brothers and other wealthy activists were sponsoring and actually instigating the movement.

But as Jane was burrowing away in her reporting, she started to notice something odd was happening.

I began to get warnings from a number of people who'd worked for Coke industries,

who I wanted to interview, that I better be careful.

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