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The RELEVANT Podcast

Episode 1302: Brooke Ligertwood, the Two Kinds of Churches Actually Growing & What Drake Says About the State of Music

The RELEVANT Podcast

RELEVANT Magazine

Christianity, News, Religion & Spirituality, Entertainment News

4.62.9K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2026

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

This week, we talk to Brooke Ligertwood about her new album ‘Eat,’ which is unlike anything she's put out before. 

In RELEVANT Buzz, we break down new data that highlights where the Church has actually been growing over the last decade — and where it hasn’t. We also tell the story of the e.l.f. Cosmetics co-founder who gave away his fortune and is becoming a priest. Plus we have a look at the new Moses limited series on Prime Video starring Sir Ben Kingsley. (It’s impressive.)

In Slices, Jesse has some thoughts about kamikaze dolphins, and the cast of course opens the show with thoughts on the new Drake albums, which leads to a fascinating conversation about what’s been wrong with the music industry and our thoughts on where things are going. 

This week’s Question of the Week is based on the ‘Thief In the Night’ post we had this week: What's a movie or show you watched way too young that you now realize was completely inappropriate (and your parents probably had no idea)? Drop your answer in the comments on YouTube or reply on our Stories on social — we're reading our favorites on next week's episode.

Highlights:

00:00 — Intro / Drake drops three albums and burns down his Universal deal

20:43 — RELEVANT Buzz: Elf Cosmetics founder becomes a Catholic priest

24:11 — RELEVANT Buzz: The only churches actually growing (Pew data)

34:02 — RELEVANT Buzz: Moses limited series on Prime Video

37:43 — RELEVANT Recommends: Brooke Ligertwood, Eat

45:00 — Slices: Kamikaze dolphins and the beluga whale that defected

47:45 — Editorial Question of the Week

50:55 — Outro



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0:00.0

This episode 1302, and it's the relevant podcast.

0:09.3

Now, we're going to change things up a little bit.

0:11.5

It's all about the first 30 seconds on YouTube.

0:14.4

So on the show today, we're going to cover Relevant Buzz,

0:16.7

what's happening at the intersection of faith and culture this week.

0:18.8

We're going to have Relevant Recommends with one of our favorite artists, Brooke Lidgetertwood joins us. You don't want to miss that. We have slices. And at the end of the show, we were supposed to have your feedback for the first time. Didn't go so well. So we're going to play One Has to Go one more time, and then we're going to get into it. So joining me today from Loverland, Virginia's Jesse Carey. Hello, hello.

0:37.7

From Nashville, our managing editor, downtown Emily Brown. and then we're going to get into it. So joining me today from Loverlame, Virginia is Jesse Carey.

0:38.3

Hello, hello. From Nashville, our managing editor, downtown Emily Brown. Hey, y'all. And from L.A., you know from Social Club Misfits. It's Marty. Hey, y'all. Oh, my gosh. Derek's unavailable to be here today because the group chat was up too late listening to the new Drake album. Second string in the building, baby.

0:54.8

What was your guys' take?

0:56.8

What was your guys' listening to the new Drake album. Second string in the building, baby.

0:54.8

What was your guys' take?

0:56.8

What was your guys' take on the new Drake album?

0:59.1

Seriously?

0:59.7

Okay.

0:59.9

I don't want to offend any of our listeners who would say, how could a good Christian listen to Drake?

1:06.0

Because we have gotten those comments.

1:08.1

I would say hip hop needed this. I would say hip hop has been in a bad

1:14.4

place for a couple years. Rolling loud last week was the low point. It was horrible if you watched

1:20.0

any of the stream. And music has been boring and this is not boring. Uninspired the music has been uninspired.

1:28.6

Right. So he superseded expectations. He did a lemonade level hour long cinematic masterpiece.

1:35.3

I watched it three times last night. So, you know, that got me. And then three albums.

1:41.3

So like, now there's theories that Marty has that there were three albums left in his universal deal. And so he said, one fell swoop, I'm out. So this is how he got out of his universal deal. He released three albums at once. Brilliant. No, I think it's fantastic. It exceeded my expectations. Doesn't he say in the opening track about feuding with the labels, isn't that? Oh, yeah, yeah. He's like, there's a whole song about getting free, free from Universal, like literally. So, brilliant. Anyway, that's- What is he gonna do after his universal deals over? Like, just go independent? You do anything he wants. Own his music and do whatever he wants. I didn I should know if there was a different label he was joined or like what his plan was. This is a guy that's going to make more money than anybody else in music. Yeah, it's like Taylor Swift when she did it, right? Like she started her own label. She's the manufacturer. She owns it all. She's a billionaire. I don't want to be that guy, but I'm just going to throw it out there. Do it. You know, you think there's one, like, I'm not trying to take, like, big corporate defense here. I'm just, this is just a hypothetical kind of devil's advocate. Don't you think there's one guy at Universal who drafted the contract? And he's like, you're not going to believe it. We got Drake for like 10 albums and we got three more. This is the best. I'm so good at my job. I work so hard for this to set up my company, my employees, my family. It's Ironclad. He's got three more albums. We are set, guys. He'll never drop three. That's crazy. Yeah, and then, yeah, they all three drop at once. Don't you. I get that he wants to own his stuff, but what about that one guy that's like, you know what, Christmas bonuses every year for the next three years? He't leave universal he burned universal to the ground on

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