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🗓️ 28 February 2022
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Charlotte and Brent Springford Sr. were well-respected, successful, progressive-minded pillars of their community in Montgomery, Alabama. Everything in their lives seemed perfect, but that was all about to change.
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Drifting Into Darkness, Mark Pinsky (2022)
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0:00.0 | The opinions expressed in the following episode do not necessarily reflect those of the minds of madness podcast. |
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0:37.0 | Charlotte and Brent Springford were well respected, successful, progressive-minded pillars of their community in Montgomery, Alabama. |
0:56.0 | Everything in their lives seemed perfect, but that was about to change on November 25, 2004. |
1:04.0 | Join me now, as we take a look at the case of Brent Springford Jr., a man whose desperate search for spiritual enlightenment crossed paths with a predator and conwoman. |
1:15.0 | You'll also hear from author Mark Pinsky, who not only wrote the book on the case, but also became personally affected by it, even becoming involved with law enforcement. |
1:31.0 | On June 24, 2015, the Weston County Sheriff's Department received a call from a ranch just outside of Newcastle, Wyoming, a small town in the northeast corner on the South Dakota border. |
1:45.0 | 63-year-old Caroline Scout was calling to report a death. 60-year-old caretaker Richard Campbell Jr., or Sandy, as everyone called him, was found dead in one of the trailers on her property. |
1:58.0 | He'd apparently committed suicide. When police arrived on the scene, they found Sandy deceased with a gunshot wound to his head, lying face up on the floor, a rifle sat resting across his chest. |
2:12.0 | Although there seemed to be a few minor inconsistencies, foul play wasn't suspected, and the gunshot wound was assumed to have been self-inflicted. |
2:22.0 | However, a few days later, Deputy Sheriff Patrick Wasaba received another phone call. This one came from 2,000 miles away. |
2:32.0 | I called, and I said I'm looking for someone who's involved in the death on Caroline Scout property, and the woman said I'll connect you. |
2:41.0 | That's Mark Pinsky, an author and investigative journalist who at the time of Sandy's death was writing his second true crime book, drifting into darkness. |
2:52.0 | As it turned out, Caroline Scout, the woman who discovered Sandy's body, was a central figure in the book he was working on. |
3:00.0 | And so she connected me, and I said I understand you found a body on Caroline's property, said yeah, and looked like suicide, I said well, how much do you know about Caroline? |
3:11.0 | Although it's not uncommon for police to brush off journalists, surprisingly, the deputy seemed interested in what Mark had to say. |
3:20.0 | Yeah, you know, she's been only to sign the death certificate because there's an insurance policy that she's the beneficiary of. I said there's some more things you want to consider before you sign the death certificate. |
3:33.0 | The story Mark Pinsky told Wasaba was a whirlwind tale that went deeper than he could have ever imagined. |
3:40.0 | One of the cardinal rules of journalism for reporter is don't become part of your story. For 40 years working for newspapers and magazines, I observed that. |
3:50.0 | Later when I taught, I taught my students that. But every so often you encounter a story that just begs for your personal involvement, and this is one of those stories. |
3:59.0 | So what exactly did Mark tell deputy sheriff with Saba? Well to answer that question, we have to take you far away from the wind-swept prairies of Wyoming into the heart of the deep south. |
4:13.0 | Just south of modern downtown Montgomery, Alabama, a neighborhood known as the Garden District serves as a monument to the city's rich, and at times, to mulch you as history, Mark Pinsky takes us there. |
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