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The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Episode 121, The Philosophy of Privacy (Part II - Privacy in Peril)

The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

Euthanasia, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Existentialism, Marxism, Kant, Ethics, Davidpapineau, Dennett, Marx, Evilgodchallenge, Cosmological, Mind, Consciousness, Courses, Nagasawa, Education, Johnstuartmill, Jeremybentham, Aristotle, Ocr, Camus, Josephfletcher, Conscience, Society & Culture, Kantianethics, Philosophy

4.8604 Ratings

🗓️ 27 August 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Introduction

'I was sold a story about the modern world. I was told that I could connect with friends for free and that I could have everything conveniently tailored to my tastes. I was also promised I’d be kept safe from those who wished to attack me and my values. All in all, I was told I would be empowered to live my life as I saw fit.

In time, I began to hear another story. I started to hear that what I had shared with friends was actually a product that social media sold to others. I was told that some of my wants and desires were, in reality, the wants and desires of people whom I had never met. I was made aware that the promise of safety came at a cost which appears never to have been proven worthwhile.

The power, as it turns out, was not really with me – it was with those who sold me the original story. The choices I made when I knew no better helped them understand me and others like me better. They could do this because they were watching. When I wanted them to stop watching, they told me that if I had nothing to hide, then I had nothing to fear.'


Contents

Part I. Privacy is Power

Part II. Privacy in Peril

Part III. Further Analysis and Discussion


Transcript

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0:00.0

Just let you both know, I am going to be recording this.

0:04.4

Thanks, GDPR.

0:05.9

I hope so.

0:08.3

Pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, panacy in Peril. Our inquiry question, if cookies are so bad, why do they taste?

0:34.6

So good.

0:36.6

We're going to start this section by talking about some of the

0:40.5

other reasons that we might value privacy. We're then going to be getting into some examples

0:45.7

of corporate surveillance and big government surveillance as well. At the end of our last section,

0:52.3

we're talking about how the Lees thinks that privacy

0:56.4

is a public good, as in it's not just good for your own sake and for your own information,

1:00.8

but you impact other people in the society and the world that you occupy when you give up that

1:05.2

data or when other people take and use that data for other means. Now, in his excellent book, Neil Richards says that you might think, as I think I do and a lot of people do,

1:17.6

that privacy is an intrinsic good.

1:20.0

It's a good in and of itself.

1:21.7

It's nice to have a forest, a library, a bedroom, his example, not mine, without being observed by other people.

1:28.6

But there are some people, and he gives examples of law enforcement officers and other

1:33.0

technologists that may be unconvinced that privacy matters.

1:37.7

He says to make a robust strong case for the protection of privacy, we need to point to

1:43.9

the instrumental goods that are in society as

1:47.0

well. Identity, freedom, consumer protection. Yeah, and you don't even have to go, I like

1:53.2

at the way you said they're like technologists and those pesky lawyers. You probably have come

1:59.5

across this. You're feeling yourself as a listener to a show like this.

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