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Episode 114 | Mary Cain

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Coaching, Marathons, Sports, Olympics, Running, Ultrarunning

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 1 June 2020

⏱️ 93 minutes

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“I have a lot of goals in running and I have a lot of dreams in running but I feel like I love to run—period, end of sentence. And if that is kind of all I’m ever going to say about my running career from here on out, I’d maybe be a little bit disappointed, but at the end of the day, I want to run when I’m 80. I want to run with my family, I want to run with my friends, I want to run with my dog, and those miles that I can put in going forward, I hope they lead to really cool things on the track, but if they lead to really cool things through, you know, other opportunities that come forward in the future, that would be just as cool. So maybe looking ahead, I’m not trying to write my future out maybe like I used to, I’m just trying to go a little bit more with the flow and see where the run takes me.”Mary Cain is the youngest American athlete ever to represent the United States at the World Championships, which she did in 2013 as a 17-year-old high school phenom, finishing 10th in the 1500m final. Earlier that year, she broke numerous high school and junior records from 800m through the 5000. She turned professional in the fall of 2013, joining the Nike Oregon Project under coach Alberto Salazar in Portland, Oregon. Then, last November, Mary came forward in The New York Times with a powerful op-ed sharing her story of the emotional and physical abuse she suffered while a member of the Oregon Project, which she left in 2016. The piece exploded online and revealed details about how Mary had suffered from disordered eating while a member of Salazar’s team, missed her period for three years, broke five bones, and suffered from thoughts of suicide. Following that story, several other former Oregon Project athletes backed her claims of similar mistreatment going back at least 10 years. In this conversation, which got emotional at times, we got into the details of her new employment arrangement, talked about the importance of not being outcome-oriented, the energizing effect of being actively involved in her NYC running community, and how she picked herself back up after leaving Oregon and returning to New York. We also talked about Mary the person vs. Mary the runner and when that flipped for her, what she experienced during her time in Oregon, and being self-critical and feeling helpless when she was told she needed to lose weight to run faster. She also told me when she realized the environment at the Oregon Project was a problem and why it took her so long to realize it and leave, if her training partners and teammates at the time showed any concern for her while she was suffering, how she’s thinking about her running goals in the next few years, and a lot more.This episode is brought to you by: Tracksmith: Tracksmith is a Boston-based running brand led by a group of life long runners who are dedicated to building superlative quality, classically stylish, and cutting-edge running apparel for real-world athletes. To learn more, visit tracksmith.com/mario and use code Mario15 at checkout to save 15% on your first purchase.WHOOP: WHOOP is fitness wearable for your wrist that provides personalized insights on the performance of your sleep, how recovered your body is, and how much stress you put on your body throughout the day from your workouts and the normal stressors of life. Go to WHOOP.com and enter “Mario” at checkout to save 15%.Complete show notes: https://themorningshakeout.com/podcast-episode-114-with-mary-cain/Sign up here to get the morning shakeout email newsletter delivered to your inbox every Tuesday morning: www.themorningshakeout.com/subscribe/Support the morning shakeout on Patreon: www.patreon.com/themorningshakeout

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0:00.0

I have a lot of goals in running and I have a lot of dreams in running but I feel like I love to run period end of sentence and if that is kind of all I'm ever going to be able to say about my

0:16.6

running career from here on out I'd maybe be a little bit disappointed but at the end of the day like I want to run when I'm 80 I want to run with

0:29.5

my family I want to run with my friends I want to run with my dog and those miles that I can

0:37.1

put in going forward I hope they lead to really cool things on the track but if they lead to really cool things through you know other

0:47.6

opportunities that come forward in the future that would be just this cool and so maybe looking ahead. I'm not trying to write my future out maybe like I used to

0:57.4

I'm just trying to go a little bit more with the flow and see where the run takes me.

1:24.0

That's Mary Kane, and this is this week is Mary Kane.

1:28.4

Mary is the youngest American athlete ever to represent the United States at the world championships which she did in 2013 as a 17 year old high school phenom finishing 10th in the 1500-meter final.

1:35.7

Earlier that year she broke numerous high school and junior records from 800 meters

1:40.2

through the 5,000. She turned professional in the fall of 2013, joining the

1:44.9

Nike Oregon project under coach Alberto Salazar in Portland, Oregon. In 2014,

1:49.9

Mary broke more junior records. She won a senior national title indoors at 1500 meters

1:55.1

and then took the world junior championship at 3,000 meters outdoors.

1:59.6

It appeared that she was on top of the world

2:01.4

until it all came crashing down in 2015 and 2016

2:04.8

when her performances suffered seemingly inexplicably. Mary left the Oregon

2:09.4

project in 2016 and returned home to New York where she enrolled at Fordham University and began

2:14.6

training with John Henwood who helped coach her in high school.

2:17.8

She spent much of 2017 and 2018 battling injuries and had pretty much fallen off the

2:22.4

radar from a competitive

2:23.6

standpoint. Then last November Mary came forward in the New York Times with a

2:28.6

powerful op-ed sharing her story of the emotional and physical abuse that she suffered while she was an Oregon Project athlete.

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