Episode 112

Sword and Scale

Incongruity

True Crime, Entrepreneurship, Business, Society & Culture, Documentary, History

4 • 61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2018

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Some tales of human depravity are just unimaginable. Are they the actions of a monster, or simply a monstrous act? Sometimes the lines are not quite so clear, and perhaps monsters are not only real, but existing all around us, and hidden in plain site.

This is the story of a young boy named Joshua Earl Patrick Phillips, an even younger girl named Maddie Clifton, and a waterbed.

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0:00.0	Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences.
0:05.8	Listener discretion is advised.
0:09.5	I did something horrible.
0:15.5	I'm so sorry.
0:17.5	I'm so sorry for what happened.
0:19.5	Welcome to Sword and Scale, Season 5 Episode 112, a show that reveals that the worst monsters are real.
0:49.5	What is the difference between a monster and a person who commits a monstrous act?
0:55.5	Is there a difference?
0:57.5	Could that monster live inside any one of us?
1:02.5	And how do we recognize it when it can be hidden in plain sight?
1:19.5	1998 Jacksonville, Florida
1:22.5	Sheila and Steve Clifton were living in a quiet residential neighborhood on the city's south side
1:29.5	with their two daughters, Jessie and Maddie.
1:33.5	How old was Jessie in 1998?
1:37.5	She was 11.
1:39.5	And how old was Maddie?
1:40.5	Maddie was 9 or 8.
1:43.5	I just turned 8.
1:45.5	Yes, ma'am.
1:46.5	And as most parents, did you and Steve in terms of your life together, did it revolve around your daughters?
1:55.5	Our whole life was our daughters and our family and fishing.
2:01.5	The Clifton's organized their lives around their daughters, interests and activities.
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