Episode 111, The Banality of Evil (Part III - The Essence of Evil)
The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast
Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane
4.8 β’ 612 Ratings
ποΈ 25 September 2022
β±οΈ 44 minutes
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Summary
Introduction
On April 11, 1961, a Monster was put on trial in the state of Israel and broadcasted to the world. The Monster, who was housed in a glass box, was accused of crimes against humanity and the Jewish people β of knowingly sending hundreds of thousands of people to their deaths. When the trial commenced, and the Monster was asked how he pleaded, he answered, 'Not guilty, in the sense of the indictment.'
As the trial proceeded, the Monster portrayed himself as a cog in a machine. He was a cog who was helpless to stop the inevitable β a cog that was merely performing its duty. To some who observed the trial, the 'Monster' who sat before them appeared all too human. Behind the glass, there was no demonic essence of evil. The Monster was, in fact, an average person: a normal person who was capable of committing terrifyingly evil acts.
One observer went as far as to say that the manner in which the accused spoke, and the way he framed his story, was evidence that he simply lacked the ability to think. To this observer, it was no radical evildoer who sat in the glass box. In fact, his professed motives, and his inability to avoid cliches, were evidence of his banality.
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Contents
Part I. The Life of Hannah Arendt
Part II. Eichmann in Jerusalem
Part III. The Essence of Evil
Part IV. Further Analysis and Discussion
Links
Hannah Arendt, Eichmann in Jerusalem (Book)
Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism (Book)
Richard J. Bernstein, Why Read Hannah Arendt Now? (Book)
Peter Hayes, Why? Explaining the Holocaust (Book)
Anne Heller, Hannah Arendt: A Life in Dark Times (Book)
Samantha Rose Hill, Hannah Arendt (Book)
Deborah E. Lipstadt, The Eichmann Trial (Book)
Dana Vila, Arendt (Book)
Eichmann Trial (YouTube)
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Part 3. The Essence of Evil. In the previous installments, we've said we're going to be dealing with some sensitive content. |
| 0:22.4 | There's not as much in this installment. |
| 0:24.1 | We're looking at the philosophy and the concept of the banality of evil. |
| 0:28.1 | With that said, we hope you stick around and enjoy the show. |
| 0:30.2 | So we closed the final part of the last episode with Hannah Wrenz's own words, |
| 0:35.3 | assessing Eichmann as he gives this one final cliche before he dies. |
| 0:40.3 | And she says that this sums up the whole thing, really, the banality of evil. |
| 0:45.3 | When you first come across this term, and I'm only speaking personally for myself right now, is that I find banality to be an odd choice of word. I think that it could be |
| 0:55.7 | interpreted in a lot of different ways that you actually have to unpack it quite a bit. |
| 1:00.8 | And for her to use this term right at the end of the book and just leave it there, I suspect |
| 1:05.2 | for a lot of people, was not only confusing, but potentially insulting. And there was backlash. |
| 1:11.9 | But before we get onto that, I want to draw our attention just straight away to, |
| 1:16.3 | there's a quote from Hannah Arendt in her own words. |
| 1:18.8 | I think it's best to start there. |
| 1:20.7 | And then we can start unpacking the term and perhaps looking at what other people have said from it. |
| 1:26.2 | So in the postscript to Eichmann and Jerusalem, which would not have been in the original audition in the New Yorker, but would have been put into later editions as a response to some of the things that people said about the book. She says, for when I speak of the banality of evil, I do sue only in the strictly factual level, pointing to a a phenomenon which said one in the face at the trial. |
| 1:45.8 | Eichmann was not Eago and not Macbeth and nothing would have been farther than in the mind than to determine with Richard the third to prove a villain. |
| 1:54.3 | And then the really important bit here, except for extraordinary diligence in looking out for his own personal advancement, he had no motives at all. |
| 2:02.8 | And this diligence in itself was in no way criminal. |
| 2:06.0 | He certainly would never have murdered his superiors in order to inherit his post. |
| 2:09.8 | He merely, to put it colloquially, never realized what he was doing. |
| 2:13.5 | Now, she does go on to say a couple of other things there, but that's a big bit of it, is that when she's assessing the banality of evil, is that she seems to be linking it to a certain state of mind that Icom and has, that it's his lack of a certain type of thinking. |
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