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Criminal

Episode 104: Witness

Criminal

Vox Media Podcast Network

True Crime, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.738.4K Ratings

🗓️ 7 December 2018

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

We speak to a Gerald Shur who has given thousands of people new names, told them where they would live, and warned them they could never go back home. Today, we take a look into the founding of the Witness Protection Program. For more, check out Gerald Shur's book, WITSEC. For a transcript of this episode, send an email to [email protected] with the episode name and number. Say hello on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Sign up for our occasional newsletter, The Accomplice. Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop. Criminal is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX. Please review us on Apple Podcasts! It’s an important way to help new listeners discover the show: iTunes.com/CriminalShow. We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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Once you are away, you may tell anybody you are away.

0:07.0

You cannot tell them where you are.

0:10.0

You cannot communicate easily through the Internet.

0:17.0

All you can do now is one of them.

0:24.0

This is Gerald Shore.

0:26.0

He's given thousands of people new names,

0:28.0

told them where they would live and warned them.

0:31.0

They could never go back home.

0:33.0

And they have a sheet with the rules.

0:35.0

She'd have, you know, 8 by 10 piece of paper.

0:38.0

And they sign that piece of paper that they will abide by the rules.

0:42.0

And the rules are, you know, we don't want to go through the list.

0:46.0

But essentially it's, I will be a good person and live a normal life.

0:56.0

Above all else, keep your head down.

1:00.0

You have to get a new job and a new place to live in a new city,

1:04.0

with a new social security number and no credit history.

1:08.0

If you meet someone you like, you can never tell them who you are

1:12.0

or where you're really from.

1:14.0

You can't bring them home to your parents.

1:17.0

All of these rules were the invention of one man, Gerald Shore.

1:23.0

The father of the Witness Protection Program.

1:28.0

Back in the 1960s, he was working for the Department of Justice

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