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Epic win against Apple, iPhone 17 air dummy models, iOS 19 rumors

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🗓️ 1 May 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Benjamin and Chance react to the huge developments in the Epic vs. Apple case, with Apple now compelled to allow free rein links out to the web, with no commission. Also this week, we get our best look yet at the super-slim iPhone 17 Air, there are intriguing rumors about iOS 19 and iPadOS 19, and Apple quietly launches a bizarre new microsite on its website. 

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Benjamin Mayo

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0:00.0

So, Mayo, it's time to go back to our old friends at Epic Games, our old friend, Tim Sweeney, because we have some late breaking developments as of last night.

0:08.5

Wednesday night, Apple's kind of been, I don't know what the right words, they've been beat up, they've been told that they need to get their act together and stop resisting the judge's demands in the Epic versus Apple case?

0:21.8

Yeah, this is really the buck stops here kind of judgment.

0:25.4

It's where we last left off was so that in 2021, the judge, Yovonne Gonzalez Rogers,

0:31.0

ruled that Apple was not a monopolist under either federal or state antitrust laws,

0:35.4

but said that Apple must allow developers to steer app users

0:38.6

to external payment platforms. So that's the infamous anti-steering rules that Apple imposes.

0:44.6

Apple called this a resounding victory at the time, but then appealed the anti-steering part of the

0:49.7

decision. Yeah, because they won on like, what, 10 of 11 counts? And like the anti-steering was the 11th count that they appealed on.

0:57.2

And this was November 2021.

0:59.8

So basically almost five years ago at this point, yeah.

1:02.4

And this, to jump back even further, this is the thing that all started when Epic added, like, the backdoor external payment system to Fortnite.

1:10.4

Which was 2018.

1:11.8

Yeah.

1:12.2

Launched the whole like 1984 style campaign against Apple, all of that stuff.

1:17.5

So the first decision in that case was 2021, like you said.

1:21.8

2023 and appeals court upheld that judge's decision on Apple not being a monopoly, and they upheld the anti-steering stuff.

1:29.5

So this meant that under the decision, Apple was required to implement the ability for developers

1:35.5

to steer users to external payment platforms.

1:38.8

Come last night, a new decision...

1:40.7

Sorry, just sorry to interrupt you, but implement is a funny word in that case,

1:43.9

because what we're really talking about is the ability to link out to the web, right?

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