The reason why this has resonated so much with me is number one, I've been able to do this to the science.

I've got a PhD, I've got my credentials.

But what I realized very quickly is the medical school dogma that I was raised with didn't compute with a patient that was sitting in front of me desperate for hope.

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I'm here with Robert Syvis, who is an expert in metabolic issues,

with a particular focus on the addictive nature of modern refined foods.

So great to meet you, Robert.

Great, Ivor. Thank you very much for having me here.

You're absolutely right. I think I've been in the trenches treating people for about 19 years.

And what's become obvious, even though it's not heavily written about, what's become obvious is the group of patients I treat, primarily type 2 diabetics and obese people, have a different use or almost abuse of a

particular subset of what they eat than normal people you know you and I both enjoy an

alcoholic beverage every now and then we've probably even been drunk in our time but

we don't wake up the next morning with a hangover and start drinking right away.

We've got control of that dynamic even though we've used it and abused it from time to time.

In exactly the same way, a lot of people can eat certain food types and overdo it at a certain time,

but back off, they can control that relationship.

Then we get to people with type 2 diabetes and obesity.

And when you interview with them and you spend enough time with them,

particularly when they are under emotional duress,

when they're stressed, when they're upset,

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