Hella Black, new episode featuring Kadeja Means. This is Kadez's third time on a

podcast and with each episode we learn something, y'all learn something, she

dropped gems. On this we talk nonviolent communication, restorative justice, and any other theory that will

heal Africans and liberate Africans.

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And yeah, free to real, keep the rest. So, But yeah, we are excited to have you on this episode.

This episode this episode this time is a result of Kadesia leading some nonviolent communication

and restorative justice work for our organization

people's programs as we try to center abolition in our work,

restorative and transformative justice in our work, especially over the last, you know, I would say a year for sure. I'm sure it's been been like this forever, but I know over the last year, especially after the upris and you started seeing like Defund the police,

embossed the police, restorative and transformative justice have seemed to, you know, maneuver their way back into mainstream social justice. maneuver that's something like a diversity pain foot for a second.

Like, you just, you just,

work, culture, and am I roasted?

That sounded like a diversity pain,

for a second. But like that's like you does you just

well you just see how this is being co-optive bro so yeah like it's just is people are

making a mockery of it they're using it for a mask for their very carceral and anti-colonial shit if we're thinking about, I can't remember the folks of New Zealand, yeah, if we're thinking about that right,

and how this just started, people, the way that is being used now is again,

a blanket for carcel, anti-black behavior.

So for us in our organization, when we're really trying to build with

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