Welcome to the award-winning Dear Lovejoy podcast. Don't laugh, Mark. It's got awards.

And today is another special. Today we're meeting Robert Verkak, who is an author.

He did a book called Jihadi John, and I understand it was very successful.

And he's done a new book called Posh Boys,

which is what we're talking about with him today.

How the English public scores run stroke ruin Britain.

It's not called stroke ruin, is it?

No.

It's run and then they've got a little cheeky eye in there on the yeah on the cover yeah so it's all about the uh public scores in this um in the country what school did you oh i hope by the way i'm i was really struggled with the idea of this one why because it's quite political and it's not it's it's it's there's many people who, um, private schools or have been to private schools who send their children to private schools. And I, and I didn't want it just to come over as bitter and twisted. Uh, I just wanted, I'm really interested in our schooling system in this country. If anyone, I know, regular, uh, regular listeners will know that I discuss it a lot.

We've had Trupovion discussing it. And I think about it a lot. So any information I get on

schooling, I'm interested. We also get a lot of correspond. Lodder, sorry, I want to

Lodder. We get a lot of correspondence about those school episodes as well don't we yeah we do yeah

a lot of teachers parents a lot of teachers yeah you know because we're we're trying to wonder what

school's about and i also i also think which we'll talk about in the podcast about what makes a good

society and i think it starts with school. You have your parents

and then you have your school and you know this is what we get this is the meat of what we get

into when we discuss it with Robert. What school did you go to? I went to a secondary comp

comprehensive. I did it. I did too. I... Did you enjoy school?

I was about to say I hated it.

Did you?

Hated school.

Couldn't wait to leave.

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