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The Welcome back to Cosmosis. I'm Jay Christopher King, along with my brilliant co-host, Kelly Chase.

If you're new to the show,

Cosmosis is a podcast that grew out of our docu-series, Cosmosis, UFOs, and a new reality. We spent

more than a year working on that series, and this podcast is a way of continuing that exploration.

It's a space for deeper conversations about contact, consciousness, and the hidden

architectures that shape our reality. You don't need to have seen the series to follow along here,

but if you're curious, you can find Cosmosis, UFOs, and a new reality streaming on Prime Video,

Apple TV, Vimeo, YouTube, and more. All the links are at Cosmosis.media.

And if you'd like to support the show and be part of this unfolding conversation,

you can join us on Patreon at patreon.com slash Cosmosis Media.

Patrons get early access to ad-free episodes,

behind-the-scenes content, and live Zoom calls with us and some of our guests.

Today, we're talking with researcher and writer Daniel Elizondo, co-author of Loose Threads, a contributor

to the Cosmosis docuseries, and one of the sharpest minds working at the intersection of UFO

secrecy, intelligence structures, and the deeper philosophical stakes of this topic.

We get into a lot. Infotainment and narrative control, Jacques Valet's forbidden science journals,

and The Secret Onion, a layered model of compartmentalization that explains a lot about how this

topic has been managed over the years.

We also talk about what it means to stay grounded in this work, about resisting the urge to

chase the golden ticket and learning to navigate the weird, the subtle, and the seductive

without losing yourself in the process. We start by picking up a thread from last week's episode, so let's get into it.

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