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The MeatEater Podcast

Ep. 886: Who Was the Real Johnny Appleseed?

The MeatEater Podcast

MeatEater

Sports, Wilderness

4.937.9K Ratings

🗓️ 8 June 2026

⏱️ 96 minutes

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Summary

Steven Rinella talks with author Isaac Fitzgerald.

Topics discussed: Isaac's new book, American Rambler: Walking the Trail of Johnny Appleseed; the true story of Johnny Appleseed (John Chapman) versus the mythologized version; land speculation, westward expansion, and environmental impact; Appleseed's religious influence; the role of storytelling in shaping national legends; the role of apples and cider in American history; John's role in the War of 1812; and more.

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Isaac Fitzgerald,

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who has a brand new book

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called American Rambler,

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