I'm Carrie Mulligan, the host of I Hear Fear, a new anthology series of terror.

You and I know that the best scary stories are the ones we tell each other in the dark,

so turn off your lights and close your eyes.

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Hi, it's me, the OG Green Grum and the Grinch.

Listen as I launch a campaign against Christmas cheer, grilly celebrity guests like chestnuts

on an open fire.

Don't try to get my heart to grow a few sizes, but it's not going to work, honey.

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Welcome back for another episode of Reality Life with KKC.

My guest today is Kaki Kleiner-Rubin. You may remember her from episode 150.

She has just written a book called A Light in the Dark, surviving more than Ted Bundy,

and this story is more powerful than ever.

This is the first book by a confirmed survivor of Ted Bundy and the only memoir to challenge

the popular narrative of Ted Bundy as a handsome killer who charmed his victims into trusting him.

Ted Bundy was its serial killer, rapist and necrophiliac, one of the most notorious criminals

of the late 20th century, known to have killed at least 20 women in the 1970s and admitted to 36

murders. His charming appearance helped him become somewhat of a celebrity during his trial and

his cases since inspired many novels and films about serial killers. Though he confessed at 36 killings

of young women across several states in the 70s, experts really believe that the final tally

might be closer to more than 100. That exact number will never be known.

Most sources say that he began his murderous rampage around 1974. Around this time,

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