Ginger Dugger Volo and her husband Jeremy Volo are joining us today in studio. This is a continuation of the first interview

I had with Ginger a couple months ago about her new book becoming free indeed. This is about her story, her upbringing, the theology of the

Duggers and learning what the real liberating gospel is. So we'll be getting more deeply into what it was like growing up as a

Dugger what that theology really looks like what the gospel truly is but we'll also be talking about some tough subjects like how her brother Josh's conviction for consuming child sex abuse material affected her what her

relationship is like with her family today you're going to be so edified by Ginger and both Ginger and Jeremy's love for Christ and love for the gospel.

Also stick around for the very end of this episode where we will finally be announcing our giveaway winners and also just one last thing please bear with me as I am suffering from about of allergies.

Thankfully I am not the one mostly talking in today's episode it's going to be an amazing episode you're going to love it.

It's brought to you by our friends at good ranchers go to goodrangers.com. You probably could alley a checkout that's good ranchers.com code alley.

Jeremy Ginger thanks so much for joining me on the couch my second guest ever in my new studio.

Thanks for having us. Yeah we plan this we just decided to match your new set so love it.

Thanks. Okay tell me what the response has been to your book. I mean I've seen you so many places since I first talked to you in January.

It seems like it's just like making wigs. It's been insane really I think we've had so many amazing responses.

I'm good and bad so I mean you always have that when you put something out but I feel like in this season it's been more encouraging than anything because so many people have been able to relate to my journey that I've been coming out of Bill Gothford's teaching and this bad theology and a lot of them have been in something similar even if it wasn't Bill Gothford.

Yeah it's been really really well worth it. Yeah tell me about some of the negative reactions like what's been some criticism.

Yeah I think it's interesting anytime you put something out there and you're in a public place you know that there is going to be pushback and there's going to be some people who hate it and so I've experienced a little bit of that but like I said more more of it has been positive.

Which I was surprised. How much positive feedback I've got. Negative from people who like Bill Gothford and think that his teachings are good or where's it coming from?

You know I think some people really hoped that this book would be something other than it was they thought maybe Ginger will start to walk away from Christianity and they hoped for that.

Then we also had you know a couple people who are still in these teachings of Bill Gothford wanted me to not say anything and so I know that that is always going to be there because a lot of them would view him as like a prophet sent from God to tell us this truth and so I can see how they would view that speaking out against him.

And so a couple different places you've had pushback was there ever a time and again people can go back and listen to our first conversation where you talk about you guys meeting and you kind of understanding oh wow what Bill got their Todd is not actually the gospel this is not what it looks like to glorify God.

Was there ever a time though during that period where you did question your faith all together did you ever say is any of this real if what I grew up with is it real.

You know it's interesting I looked at that that season where I was coming out of those teachings.

God used Jeremy and such a helpful way like just to he had to go through 60 plus hours of those teachings which I think we talked about before.

...