43% of people say schools are focusing too much on racism publicly, but that number is 10 points lower privately.

So there are people performing for their political, quote unquote, side.

If we're chasing some sort of ideal because we think everyone else thinks it and we're not actually speaking our minds, that's crazy.

We need to be able to have conversations to not attach character flaws to people That's crazy. We need to be able to have conversations to

not attach character flaws to people if we disagree with them, to be able to have healthy arguments

and actually talk to each other and not just lie about our opinions. Welcome to the Lost

Debate, a show for politically eclectics. I'm Robbie Gupta. And I'm

Ricky Schlaught. Well, Ricky, how much longer are you out there in the West Coast? I am here for

another day or two, I think. I have to even check my flight schedule. I've been very underwater

doing book writing, so I don't even remember at this point. When is the manuscript due? I'm pretty sure

like January. It needs to be pretty much done. And there's quite a lot to be done, but I've made

good progress. I've been a hermit. I haven't really left the house in almost a week now. So

getting it done. How much can you write in a day? I'm always curious to see people's habits on this stuff. If I've already researched like a chapter, I can bang out like 3,500, 4,000 words in a day if I need to. Wow, that's incredible. That's incredible. Yeah. If I have the groundwork, I outline very thoroughly. And you're in Texas right now? Yeah, I'm in Dallas for the podcast movement conference. I'm doing a panel discussion with the marketing person for athletic greens, which sponsors a different podcast that I do. So that should be fun. I haven't been back in Dallas in a while. So I don't know if I'm going to get to see much of the city because we're doing this, then I go do that panel that I'm getting out of here.

But we have so much to talk about today. On today's show, we have a big shakeup in public health leadership as the CDC plans reforms and Dr. Fauci steps down. Then we'll talk about the concept of collective illusions and where we find them in the American public. And then finally, we're going to bring you a bunch of updates from a busy news week, including two convictions in the

plot to kidnap Michigan governor, Gretchen Whitmer, major accusations from a former Twitter

executive term whistleblower and primary races in New York and Florida, including a special

election, two special elections in New York.

But first, Ricky, we got some big news yesterday as the Biden administration made a long-awaited

announcement on student loans. This is a huge move from the White House and already a controversial

one. Let me just at least outline some of the contours of this. Most of it was what we were expecting. So we were

expecting Biden to relieve up to $10,000 for most borrowers. The cap seemed to be what we were

expecting it to be. So he's capping relief to people who make under $125,000 a year or $250,000 for

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