Marshall and Saga here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

This week in our first episode after the election, we have Julius Crine,

the editor of American Affairs Journal, one of the smartest,

quarterly publications that's been writing about these realignment topics ever since the 2016

election. A lot of speakers who you've seen on this podcast have been featured in

Julius himself is a really deep thinker so his great-talk with him immediately afterwards.

Yeah, I mean it's great getting Julius's perspective. Some of you might have heard him on

Ezra Client's podcast. We've known him for years. He is somebody I would consider one of the

intellectual kind of fathers of this movement. Whatever it is you want to call it, of realignment

politics, of Trumpism itself, although I definitely show we all would distance ourselves from that

exact definition. But he's somebody who thinks very deeply about institutions, financial markets,

about how different institutions on the right might adapt and change politics in order to work

to build better things in America on the backs of a coalition predominantly of the American working

class. And look, we're taping this. It's 12.59 pm on Wednesday. A lot of different states to be called.

The Trump campaign apparently wants a recount in Wisconsin. There's only 20,000 votes there.

We've got Michigan results rolling in Pennsylvania. It's still unclear. Georgia is still on

clear. Arizona's razor tight. So is Nevada. So look, we don't really know who wins. I'd rather be

Joe Biden than Donald Trump right now. And the perspective of this conversation, hopefully,

is not even really skewed by results. It's all just about within the, within the prospect of the

votes that we know now. We see very specific patterns. GOP likely to keep the Senate. How are they

going to react if Joe Biden does become president? What does the future look like? What are the lessons

there for the right as so many millions of working class Americans supported Donald Trump? That's

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