I'm John Robbins, and joining me on How Do You Coke this week is the musician Justin Hawkins.

How big a meatloaf fan, I.

A big meatloaf fan.

I remember he came over to me, grabbed me, and he squeezed me, and he said to me,

I want you to think of me as your father.

And he had like sausage on his breath.

So every time I smell sage and pork, I think of meatloat.

So that's how do you cope with me, John Robbins. Find us wherever you get your podcasts.

This podcast contains discussions of child abuse, sexual repression, and sexual abuse, suicide, racism,

misogyny, PTSD, and PTSD symptoms, and spiritual oppression and abuse, including guilt,

shame, and fear. In most episodes, we will be mentioning some of these concepts in a general way

without any graphic detail.

If any of these topics or other triggering topics will be mentioned in great detail,

we will let you know at the beginning of each individual episode,

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Roll, rolling river time, you've healed me in too many days. No regrets, no confusion.

There'll be no pollution.

I'm so thankful I've decided to change my ways.

Welcome back to the Leaving Eden podcast.

We are your hosts.

My name is Gabrielle Ha Cohen, and I am here with my BFF, IFB cult survivor, Sadie Carpenter.

Hello, hello.

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