Hey guys, this episode, I didn't really set the scene too much because we've done two episodes,

maybe three episodes with Car before where we talk about just how insane these challenges.

It starts in 1998. It's still ongoing. And so we talk about those first 20-something years,

because we lasted this conversation in 2020

and in that one we talk about a lot about the detail of some of the stories you went into

the start of this the connection isn't that great and we do persist and it gets a lot better so

the first 10 minutes the conversation is not quite as fluid or as interesting as I think the rest of it is.

But why you'll love this episode is we start to go into analyzing really and reflecting on this challenge and the toll it's taken on his life.

And you'll see in there, listen out.

He does, he's not someone who's prepared to say he regrets anything,

although there are times in there you can sense huge regret in some of the things he's saying,

but also in the advice he's giving to others.

You can see that it's not the advice he's saying, but also in the advice he's given to others, you can see that

it's not the advice he's taken him for himself, even though he's saying he's going to

great. So it's a really fascinating interview where we go into 27 years of a challenge, why,

what's the cost, What's the outcome?

What would you change?

All those things.

So I hope you love it, guys.

Take it away.

They're bad.

They're boys.

...