EP 65: Calvinism, Gnosticism, and The TULIP Monster- Salvation and The Heart of God

The Days of Noah

History, National, Greek Mythology, Religion, Christianity

4.6 • 544 Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2024

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Welcome Days of Noah family to another episode! My good friend Don is back with me in studio as we recreate a conversation that was sparked by an X post (formerly Twitter) of mine that Don had some, well, let's just say, some disagreements with! But in the spirit of reasoning together and brotherly love, we decided to record our conversation on the topic of 5 Point Calvinism (TULIP theology), not as a debate, but more of trying to explain our own opinions and ideas on the subject. For my reformed theology/Calvinist brothers and sisters out there- we LOVE you all! My strong belief is simply that Gnosticism, as a form of fatalism, had been amalgamated into Christianity, primarily by Augustine, just a few hundred years after Christ, and that this un-Christian doctrine became the basis for what is now called 5 point Calvinism (as John Calvin said himself how Augustine was his primary influence in his own writings), summed up by the acronym, TULIP (Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and Perseverance of the saints). My contention is that this doctrine is wholly unbiblical because it distorts both the Bible and God's character, as it assumes that if God is predetermining some for salvation, he is also predetermining most for damnation. I believe, however, that God truly desires and makes salvation available for ALL, and it's ON US if we reject His free gift of salvation. The Gospel is INDEED GOOD NEWS for ALL!! Here's some resources to check out: https://www.amazon.com/Foundation-Augustinian-Calvinism-Ken-Wilson/dp/108280035X Ken Wilson's book above, a truncated summary of his doctoral dissertation on the subject, shows the historical evidence for Augustine's Manichaean Gnosticism being used to interpret Christian doctrine on salvation. Here's a link discussing how the Bible uses the word "dead" in regard to our fallen, sinful state prior to salvation: https://soteriology101.com/2017/07/07/dead-means-dead/ Please consider supporting our podcast; for Luke and I to create 4 episodes a month takes an average of 40 hours to research, record, and produce, sometimes more. If you find value in our work and would like to help support us, please choose from the options below. Thanks very much!! -Luke and Pete Paypal: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.paypal.me/peteohlinger⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Cash App: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://cash.app/$PeteOhlinger⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Venmo: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://venmo.com/u/Pete-Ohlinger⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Feel free to contact us with any questions or comments for the show! Email us at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thedaysofnoahpodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ ⁠⁠We’d love to hear from you! Thanks for listening- we appreciate each and every one of you out there. Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe, and tell your friends and family about the show, and leave us a five-star review, which helps to spread the show to others! Original Music by BassManPete Cover art is of Mt. Hermon, site of the Watcher's descent, photo credit: By Almog - Own work, Public Domain, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2181987⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and beautifully crafted into our logo by graphic designer Christine Forster (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/GfxChristine00?s=20⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)

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0:00.0	I think God's glory is better represented and biblically in the biblical story in terms of God's
0:23.8	loving sacrifice in laying himself down for us.
0:30.2	I think that's how he displays his glory.
0:32.6	He doesn't want to punish, but he has that punishment there because part of his attribute is holiness, right?
0:40.3	That there has to be some consequence.
0:42.9	If God had his way while keeping our free will intact, he would have had every one of us come to faith,
0:53.2	thereby the only wrath that all humanity for all time would
0:56.9	ever feel in eternity was already placed on Christ.
1:02.0	Unfortunately, our free will dictates that some of us don't choose that.
1:07.8	We reject God.
1:09.7	Under Tulip, they're necessarily, because of unconditional election,
1:14.4	there has to be by default unconditional reprobation,
1:19.0	those that are predetermined to hell with zero chance of salvation.
1:23.9	Is God a monster under this system?
1:26.0	If he is predetermining some to never have the opportunity to come to the end of themselves and say,
1:34.6	I am undone, I am a sinner, I am wretched, save me, I throw myself at your mercy,
1:40.5	I think that opportunity is available for all.
1:43.1	You know, even look at the prodigal son.
1:45.3	He came to his senses.
1:47.2	He said, you know, maybe my dad will take me back as a servant, a hired hand.
1:53.3	But what does the father do?
1:56.2	He's, number one, he's looking out for his son.
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