I interviewed Jeff Luno twice for this podcast, once in July of 2020, and once in September.

Okay, can you hear me, Ben?

I can hear you. Can you hear me and see me?

Yes, I can hear you and see you.

We talked for a total of five and a half hours.

In our first interview, he wasn't yet willing to address the sign-stealing scandal,

so we covered topics leading up to it,

mostly things that you've heard about over our first five episodes.

Julie, are you rolling? She is nodding.

When we sat down for the second time, Luno was ready to talk about the scandal.

Very ready.

So here we are, September 23rd, 2020, and I'm interviewing Jeff Luno.

Jeff, am I right that this is the first interview you've agreed to about the Astros

science dealing since the commissioner's report back in January, nine months ago?

That's correct. I sent out a statement, a brief statement that day, and I haven't spoken

to anybody in the media about this since.

So this will be the first time I've had an opportunity to tell my story.

Luno says he was blindsided when the athletic broke the trash can banging story in November of

2019. As you'll recall, he had been told by Major League Baseball officials that other teams had

suspected the Astros of illegally stealing signs.

But Luno says the specifics in the athletic story shocked him.

I couldn't believe it how something so outlandish, like banging on a trash can, could actually work.

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