The best gift I've ever received has to be a bike when I was younger, a pedal bike.

It was a sort of slick little road bike and I remember it was all like, it was so, it was all wrapped up,

it was so obvious what it was obviously because nothing's shaped like a bike and I had a little ribbon on it and I was so

a guest. For that was a life changer and I'm still sort of big on cycling around my area now so, for that one change really low.

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Okay guys, we've got a treat for you today. I am talking to Professor Jason D. Hill of DePaul University.

We are talking about his new book. What do white Americans owe black people? He's got a very hetero docs view on this and I'm super excited for you to hear this conversation.

We're going to talk about this idea of reparations, of racial reconciliation and what he thinks about this is an independent conservative who kind of bucks against the mainstream narrative about race and racism in the United States.

Very enlightening conversation. I know you're going to love it. So without further ado, here is Professor Hill.

Professor Hill, thank you so much for joining us for anyone who may not be familiar. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you do?

I am a professor of philosophy at DePaul University and I specialize in political philosophy and ethics. And I've been there for 22 years. I was born and raised in Jamaica. I came to America when I was around 20 and became a citizen maybe 25 years ago.

I've written a number of books. My most recent book is What do white Americans owe black people, racial justice in the age of post oppression and in my work, I'm seeking to defend American exceptionalism, the American dream and to show why America isn't really an unprecedented phenomenon in world civilization and in the world today.

Yes, you've written several books and the title that you just listed really particularly caught my eye. What do white people or what a white Americans owe black people? That's a question that I think a lot of people on either side of the aisle have been asking particularly over the past.

Almost a year and a half at this point since the George Floyd incident, we've been wondering, okay, what is it? Like, how can we reconcile? How can we satisfy both sides of the week and come together and kind of move past this racially divisive moment that we seem to be in?

So can you flush that out a little bit? Why did you write this book and how did you come to the conclusions that you did?

Well, I really started to write the book because in my previous book we have overcome an immigrants letter to the American people, which was really dedicated to the American people and love letter to the American people.

I had grown a little bit tired of what I call the America phobia that I thought was suffusing our culture hatred of America because it's a good country.

And I saw the reparations movement that is the idea that whites owe blacks reparations because of I had the residual effects of slavery because of something called systemic racism, which I don't think exists anymore.

Or because of ancestral guilt, I thought was quite divisive in and of itself that reparations had been already paid in the form of affirmative action in the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which in itself brought blacks full legal standing before the law and ended really terminated and ended formal state oppression for black.

So legal oppression ended with the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1972 Employment Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

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