Ep. 580 – Tools for Dealing with Hatred & Prejudice with Anu Gupta
Mindrolling with Raghu Markus
Be Here Now Network
4.7 • 543 Ratings
🗓️ 7 February 2025
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
Bringing together mindfulness and science, Anu Gupta offers transformative tools for dealing with hatred and prejudice.
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This week on Mindrolling, Raghu and Anu explore:
- How Anu was brought up around meditation and yoga
- Receiving the gift of spirituality
- Anu’s early connection to the Gayatri Mantra
- The distinction between caste and class in India
- Adjusting to Western life and dealing with bias in the U.S.
- Researching the nature of hatred and prejudice
- Holding our egos with loving awareness and compassion
- Transforming ourselves through practice
- Making our unconscious biases conscious
Check out Anu Gupta’s 2024 book, Breaking Bias, to learn more science-backed methods for unraveling stereotypes and prejudices.
About Anu Gupta:
Anu Gupta is a human rights lawyer, scientist, scholar of bias, meditation teacher, and the founder and CEO of BE MORE with Anu, a professional development company that trains corporate, nonprofit, and government leaders to advance inclusion and wellness by breaking bias. He is also the author of Breaking Bias: Where Stereotypes and Prejudices Come From and the Science-Backed Method to Unravel Them(2024), with a foreword from His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Check out Anu Gupta on Substack.
“The tools that we need are the ones I’ve been teaching people; mindfulness, stereotype replacement, compassion. Not just talking about them, but actually practicing them and feeling them.” – Anu Gupta
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everyone, it's Ragu, I'm back with mind rolling, and again, I say this a lot, but Anu Gupta is a new friend about to be, shall we say. |
| 0:27.9 | But I knew of Anu actually through Sharon Salzberg, because you did a podcast there, right? |
| 0:34.1 | Yeah, I've done like maybe four or five with her for her last couple of books. Yeah, |
| 0:38.0 | I think since her book Real Happiness came out a while ago. Oh, that's cool. Welcome, anyhow. Here we are. |
| 0:45.9 | Thank you for having me. It's such a joy. Thank you for being here. All right, well, I'm assuming you grew up in India and knowing it more than assuming it, but can you talk about that? |
| 1:02.4 | And because it's good to know how you came up and what all the struggles were. |
| 1:10.3 | Yeah, well, first of all, thank you for having me. |
| 1:12.6 | It's such a joy, because Ram Dass has been a good part of my journey. |
| 1:17.6 | It's nice to be speaking to folks who were his close friends and confidants |
| 1:23.6 | and also all the fans that are listening to our conversation. |
| 1:28.3 | Yeah, so I am an immigrant to the US, so I lived in India until I was 10 years old, |
| 1:33.3 | so I guess my formative early childhood, and then spent the remainder of my time since I was 10 to now almost 40 in the US. |
| 1:41.3 | I've lived in a bunch of other places and then no... |
| 1:43.3 | And you have no accent at all. |
| 1:46.3 | So, okay, that goes to show you, 10 years. Where were you in India? I was in Delhi. I did have a big |
| 1:53.8 | accent when I came in. And I still do actually. You know, it's really funny. I was with a dear |
| 1:57.9 | friend of mine a couple of weeks ago in San Francisco, and her son, who is really, like, auditorily, like, talented. |
| 2:07.6 | And he was like, I don't know how to ask this, but it doesn't feel like you're from here. |
| 2:12.8 | Like, you have a slight accent. |
| 2:15.0 | And I was like, that was the most adorable thing. |
| 2:17.7 | But yes, for lack of, for most people who aren't as talented as him, Roman, is his name. |
| 2:26.1 | Yeah, I've adapted pretty quickly. |
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