All right, this week on the Right to Try to Podcasts, I have a returning guest with us,

Joe Steven, is here to talk about the wilderness.

Come on, man.

I'm excited to have this conversation with you because I think this is...

I think this is something that all Christians go through in their lives.

There's not a lot of teaching out there on this particular topic, and yet it really I think

is such an important one.

Because everybody has seasons in their lives where it feels like God is either far away

or it just feels like it's not as blessed as it used to be.

And then there can be an element of being isolated.

Right.

Of being isolated.

And what we're going to see is that this happens to many of the biblical characters.

Right.

So just to share for me, I feel like I've been through rear four wilderness seasons in

my life.

And I've been through it enough times now to where when I went through this last one,

as I've been going through this last one, I'm like, okay, I know what this is.

I know what this is.

And that's really important because I remember the first time I really went through

a real wilderness season, it scared the heck out of me.

It scared me so much.

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