They're bad, they're boys, and occasionally they talk about running. Yes, it's the bad boy running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford and David Heller.

Hey do badders, it's Jody here. Welcome to this episode of Bad Boy Running.

In this interview episode, we're travelling back in time to the National Running Show

when Ali Bailey and I were joined on the Ultrazone stage by James Dunn from the Running Channel

and Morning Coffee Run on Instagram.

Now, we had a great conversation talking about the challenges of running,

losing weight and getting in shape for ultras, marathons and everything else in between, and how to stay motivated when running

becomes your job. Enough for me, let's get on with the episode.

Ladies and gentlemen from the running channel, James Dunn.

Coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee every moment of my life.

Coffee to wake me up each morning.

Coffee to put me too many times.

It sounds like I recorded it as well, which is even creepier.

It actually does.

Maybe you can have a burgeoning pop career.

Says I don't already.

You don't know what Mr. Bloby looks like underneath.

I don't know. You're right. what Mr. Blobby looks like underneath. I don't.

You're right. Should be laughing at that. How you doing? Good. As you can properly tell, I'm not nervous at all. Okay, amazing. Should we start off with how you got into ultra running? Why you got into it? How you got into it? What was your first go? So the first go I did was Lakeland 50.

Wow, what I just first go? So the first go I did was Lakeland 50. Wow. Punchy, punchy first ultra. Who told you that that was a good idea? Nobody. Excellent. So I signed up for it because it had a long cutoff. Didn't look at why I had a long cutoff. Found out very quickly. There's a reason why. why. Lakeland, the thing is, you didn't know, Lakeland. Lake sounds nice, gentle. Think about the Lake District, isn't it? Lakeland. Lakes are flat. I saw it like the kitchen company, Lakeland. It's just like, they're made better the elderly company. You know, it'd be fine. Not fine. Not fine at all. I thought it was a road race sponsored by Lakeland Citchens.

Not.

But I got into running in 2015, where I weighed 21 stone.

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