This episode is brought to you by Slack. With Slack, you can bring all your people and

tools together in one place. It's your digital HQ where you can increase productivity,

enable flexibility and automate workflows. Plus, Slack is full of game-changing features

like huddles for quick check-ins or Slack Connect, which helps you connect with partners

inside and outside of your company. Slack, where the future works. Get started at

Slack.com slash DHQ. I am on a change. What about you? I did the same thing in my class

after that. I basically talked about the person versus the process. It always says the

process. I asked a question. I said, what do you think of when you hear the phrase or the

word reverent? Well, I'll hurt Lively, who's God gave me the right name. He's Lively. He's

our shelter. I heard him in second service yesterday. I mean, he got, he got, I was like,

Kurt, Lively loves it. Everybody who doesn't know who we're talking about. Our church is

a little bit laid back. That's a nice way to say it's kind of conservative. But we have

one guy who all the verses, you know, there's way more in the Bible about shouting than there

is singing. And we have one member when he gets excited about a song or a sermon. He

hollers out full force. Jesus. I mean, and it's just the way he's wired. And you can like,

see the kettle brewing. If you watching during service, he kind of clinches his fist.

And it's, you feel like, you know, when the water's ready, it's fixed to just that's

what he does. So, so he said the first time he did it, I almost put my pants because

that wasn't his head. You're sitting in front of him. You know, it's, it's a, it's a shock.

It's about like having a sigh sit behind you during the song service because you're

looking at him saying there's somebody who is that is loud and sounds like he's in a

little bit of a distress. So anyway, Kurt said, all in brother, when I said, what is the

...